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Author Topic: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband  (Read 45318 times)

Jaseb4920

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #315 on: August 10, 2020, 01:51:45 PM »

Hi guys Iím on ECI cabinet roughly 150 metres from the cabinet usually get 63/20 ping 12 with sky had a resync on 26 June early hours speeds Increased to 70/20 and ping now 5 and has been rock solid since Iím using skyís sr203 router which I find very good but no way of finding out if G.INP is active but from the increased speed and decreased ping Iím guessing so, I was on it a few years back where I used to live and had pretty much the same results with no problems! So letís hope itís here to stay this time as no problems found and us ECI users definitely need it! 🤞🤞🤞
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #316 on: August 10, 2020, 05:48:38 PM »

You would see a very similar increase in sync and decrease in latency going from Interleaved to Fastpath as you would going from Interleaved to G.INP.

You really need a modem that tells you if G.INP is active to tell for definite if it's running or have the ISP tell you the current line profile.

I don't know if Sky support are able to run GEA tests or view the current DLM line profile.
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Jaseb4920

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #317 on: August 10, 2020, 06:26:51 PM »

You would see a very similar increase in sync and decrease in latency going from Interleaved to Fastpath as you would going from Interleaved to G.INP.

You really need a modem that tells you if G.INP is active to tell for definite if it's running or have the ISP tell you the current line profile.

I don't know if Sky support are able to run GEA tests or view the current DLM line profile.

Iíve always had a speed of 63/20 since Iíve been here just over a year and the line is always rock solid, so Iím guessing itís gotta be G.INP 😃
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j0hn

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #318 on: August 10, 2020, 06:49:58 PM »

I was simply pointing out that Fastpath and G.INP would both see a 8ms drop in latency and a similar increase in sync.

There's no reason it couldn't be fastpath, just because your line has always been Interleaved.
Lines start Interleaved and many stay that way.

If the line was rock solid why is it interleaved for over a year without ever trying fastpath?  ::)

It in no way means it's "gotta be" G.INP.

Given the small numbers reporting G.INP active and nobody else on Sky reporting it yet, it's more than likely not, but it could be, or not.

Without a modem that tells you for definite, or confirmation of the line profile, there's no way to tell either way.

No old HG612 lying around?
Would be good to get confirmation Sky are part of this trial.
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Dave2150

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #319 on: August 10, 2020, 07:23:08 PM »

Iíve always had a speed of 63/20 since Iíve been here just over a year and the line is always rock solid, so Iím guessing itís gotta be G.INP 😃

99% likely it's G.INP, lucky you!  :D
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #320 on: August 15, 2020, 12:39:40 PM »

Update! INP completely off and back at 80/20  but without G.INP this time. Strange but I'll take it  ???

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xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 1
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 25757 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82874 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79987 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 6.8 9.3
Attn(dB): 14.1 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 3.1 3.1

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MSGc: 18 150
B: 239 236
M: 1 1
T: 23 5
R: 0 16
S: 0.0955 0.3771
L: 20104 5410
D: 1 1
I: 240 255
N: 240 255

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OHFErr: 33 0
RS: 0 4127227
RSCorr: 0 3
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Bearer 0
HEC: 5 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
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Data Cells: 779814984 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 37 0
SES: 10 0
UAS: 64 54
AS: 27115

Bearer 0
INP: 0.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 1.65 6.15
OR: 116.09 202.87
AgR: 80103.09 20203.27

Bitswap: 503/503 7/7

Total time = 1 days 16 hours 16 min 14 sec
FEC: 0 3
CRC: 33 0
ES: 37 0
SES: 10 0
UAS: 64 54
LOS: 1 0
LOF: 8 0
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Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
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CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
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FEC: 0 3
CRC: 33 0
ES: 37 0
SES: 10 0
UAS: 37 27
LOS: 1 0
LOF: 8 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 27 27
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Since Link time = 7 hours 31 min 53 sec
FEC: 0 3
CRC: 33 0
ES: 27 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #321 on: August 15, 2020, 10:28:49 PM »

Feel like I gettting trolled when the aaisp line down sms comes in, thinking "is it g.inp?"

Nope, one was I think a TT or aaisp outage, and another was my pfsense unit going down.
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skyeci

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #322 on: August 16, 2020, 11:44:57 AM »

This guy has had it since the start with those limited plus net lines. Good to see he still has it enabled on his line.


Stats
Stats recorded 16 Aug 2020 11:43:58

DSLAM type / SW version:   IFTN:0xb206 (178.6) / v0xb206
Modem/router firmware:     AnnexA version - A2pv6F039t.d26d
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                    1 day 4 hours 6 min 57 sec
Resyncs:                   2 (since 12 Aug 2020 07:49:50)
         
            Downstream   Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):     16.0      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):   Not available on VDSL2      
Connection speed (kbps):   66317      17036
SNR margin (dB):           6.2      6.0
Power (dBm):               6.8      6.8
Interleave depth:          1      215
INP:                       49.00      2.50
G.INP:                     Enabled      Not enabled
Vectoring status:          5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)      

RSCorr/RS (%):             0.0001      0.0031
RSUnCorr/RS (%):           0.0000      0.0000
ES/hour:                   0      0
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ktz392837

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #323 on: August 20, 2020, 05:39:59 PM »

ECI Ginp has failed again.  Apparently there is a report but as usual it is confidential.  Hopefully more information will be released if anyone has more information would appreciate some detail.  Thanks
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #324 on: August 20, 2020, 06:45:55 PM »

ECI Ginp has failed again.

Are you just leaping to that assumption from the ISPreview article or from another source?

ISPreview have basically written that article based on reports on this forum about G.INP disappearing from a couple lines.

He links to this OpenReach briefing:

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefings/super-fastfibreaccessbriefingsarticles/nga02320.do

but all that says is

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This briefing is to update CPs on the ReTransmission trial as published in NGA017/20

Not so sure that means the trial has failed.
The briefing might say all is going well and is being expanded for all we know.
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ktz392837

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #325 on: August 20, 2020, 07:41:38 PM »

Yes I can categorically say I am leaping to assumptions.  I really hope I am proved wrong though but as everything is so secret and slow it is infuriating.

As an ECI cab sufferer these cabinets should have been returned and replaced at least with something that offer the same level of speed and resilience that users on Huwaei cabs can take advantage of.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #326 on: August 20, 2020, 08:38:00 PM »

It's  been working for me for a long time now but then it did last time so who  knows?

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #328 on: August 21, 2020, 08:52:29 AM »

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/08/openreach-g-inp-trial-on-eci-fttc-broadband-lines-hits-snag.html

Still active on my line however.

Update today - looks like they have hit some issues (again  :()

"Extract from Openreach Briefing on G.INP

Unfortunately the larger loads towards the end of the trial have highlighted some unforeseeable issues whereby CPE [VDSL broadband routers etc.] would fail to sync, despite the GEA Service Test usually showing the circuit as testing ok. Our early root-cause analysis has indicated that this is related to an issue in the DSLAM.

We have discussed the issue with impacted CPs and, as a precautionary step while further analysis is undertaken, we have acted promptly to remove ReTx from any ECI lines that could be negatively affected. Further updates will follow once we have more information."
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #329 on: August 21, 2020, 09:44:54 AM »

Thanks for the update.

Tldr the ECI DSLAMs are rubbish
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