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Author Topic: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband  (Read 46203 times)

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #300 on: August 06, 2020, 07:57:25 AM »

Following on from my comment yesterday dlm acted this morning to put upstream on interleaving but left downstream alone, still has g.inp and no change in speed still 67000 mbps. I'm pretty sure the up issues with random high es count is external to me and since it happens intermittently is possibly cuased by either roadworks on cabinet/duct work. My up has always been flakey.

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #301 on: August 06, 2020, 11:09:54 AM »

AAISP say they have no control over who's added to the trial.

The ability for ISP's to add users manually went months ago with only Plusnet taking up that offer.

I was told this as well.

The problem is I was talking with them about it months ago at the time plusnet were adding users, AAISP off the ball on this sorry to say.  I didnt post it at the time, as was just disappointed, with the price point they at and their reputation for been in the lead in this sort of thing, and it turned out to be quite different.

Also the trial was suspended and then resumed, so that had an effect on things as well.

Cannot say I am too surprised at only plusnet taking it up though as the lead reason the last g.inp rollout got abandoned was the CP's lobbying openreach to cancel it because they couldnt ride through a short term increase of load on their technical support lines.  Its the old lets not upset the apple cart thing hindering progress.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #302 on: August 06, 2020, 11:34:59 AM »

If the trial fails, ECI could be interleaved only, as fast path may be going regardless of the result.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #303 on: August 07, 2020, 12:48:20 AM »

If the trial fails, ECI could be interleaved only, as fast path may be going regardless of the result.

That would be a good way to guarantee a lot of cheesed off gamers.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #304 on: August 07, 2020, 01:40:37 PM »

I think latency related complaints are tiny, is a fair few for speed, but for latency extremely low.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #305 on: August 07, 2020, 03:37:17 PM »

On ECI Cab with BT. Strangely I've gone from G.INP disabled to enabled to couple of days ago being disabled yet again  :'(

Was very happy with G.INP - had lower pings + barely any errors

G.INP +

Code: [Select]
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 1
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 25519 Kbps, Downstream rate = 84478 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 7.0 9.5
Attn(dB): 14.1 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 3.1 3.1

VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: -6 150
B: 178 236
M: 1 1
T: 0 5
R: 6 16
S: 0.0000 0.3771
L: 20780 5410
D: 1 1
I: 185 255
N: 185 255
Q: 16 0
V: 2 0
RxQueue: 42 0
TxQueue: 14 0
G.INP Framing: 18 0
G.INP lookback: 14 0
RRC bits: 0 24
Bearer 1
MSGc: 186 -6
B: 0 0
M: 2 0
T: 2 0
R: 16 0
S: 5.3333 0.0000
L: 48 0
D: 3 0
I: 32 0
N: 32 0
Q: 0 0
V: 0 0
RxQueue: 0 0
TxQueue: 0 0
G.INP Framing: 0 0
G.INP lookback: 0 0
RRC bits: 0 0

Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 0 2614091
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 895433776 2328240
RSCorr: 144 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0
Bearer 1
OHF: 996544 0
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 11957790 0
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx: 69426 0
rtx_c: 251 0
rtx_uc: 74424 0

G.INP Counters
LEFTRS: 10 0
minEFTR: 79982 0
errFreeBits: 105722235 0

Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 2462594590 0
Data Cells: 75088010 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

Bearer 1
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 0 0
Data Cells: 0 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 11 11
SES: 11 10
UAS: 64 53
AS: 16013

Bearer 0
INP: 46.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 0 0
PER: 0.00 6.15
OR: 0.01 202.87
AgR: 80111.28 20203.27

Bearer 1
INP: 4.00 0.00
INPRein: 4.00 0.00
delay: 3 0
PER: 16.06 0.01
OR: 95.62 0.01
AgR: 95.62 0.01

Bitswap: 371/371 15/16

Total time = 14 hours 16 min 53 sec
FEC: 28676 25
CRC: 567 1
ES: 11 11
SES: 11 10
UAS: 64 53
LOS: 1 0
LOF: 7 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 1 min 53 sec
FEC: 13 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 14 hours 16 min 53 sec
FEC: 28676 25
CRC: 567 1
ES: 11 11
SES: 11 10
UAS: 64 53
LOS: 1 0
LOF: 7 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Since Link time = 4 hours 26 min 51 sec
FEC: 144 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0

Non-G.INP (Did a re-sync 2 days ago)

Code: [Select]
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 25989 Kbps, Downstream rate = 89727 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 74558 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 6.3 9.7
Attn(dB): 14.3 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 3.6 3.5

VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: 18 150
B: 51 236
M: 1 1
T: 64 5
R: 12 16
S: 0.0222 0.3771
L: 23072 5410
D: 1459 1
I: 64 255
N: 64 255

Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 63116 14592
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 15979838 948043
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Bearer 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 12902929 0
Data Cells: 1680327 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 27 27
AS: 91

Bearer 0
INP: 3.00 0.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 8 0
PER: 1.42 6.15
OR: 134.66 202.87
AgR: 74692.23 20203.27

Bitswap: 6/6 0/0

Total time = 1 min 58 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 27 27
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 1 min 58 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 27 27
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 1 day time = 1 min 58 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 27 27
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Since Link time = 1 min 29 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #306 on: August 08, 2020, 10:04:30 PM »

A further update... this morning DLM removed my upstream interleaving but touched nothing else so still G.INP on downstream and same speeds etc.

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #307 on: August 09, 2020, 02:28:01 PM »

 :D - have to say I am quite disappointed with Zen's response to my questions with them taking part in the trial. They don't actually answer the question and referred me back to to the document I sent to them in the first place months ago...... :D...
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #308 on: August 09, 2020, 09:29:22 PM »

Bit concerning of the reports of people getting it then losing it, dejavu of when it got rolled back.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #309 on: August 09, 2020, 10:21:44 PM »

Bit concerning of the reports of people getting it then losing it, dejavu of when it got rolled back.

Perhaps a bit premature to worry, I've had it since the Plusnet opt-in and nothing has changed.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #310 on: August 09, 2020, 11:40:50 PM »

Perhaps a bit premature to worry, I've had it since the Plusnet opt-in and nothing has changed.

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #311 on: August 10, 2020, 01:08:32 PM »

question is, is there anyone not on that special plusnet trial who still has it?
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #312 on: August 10, 2020, 01:11:03 PM »

Good to see more lines getting G.INP, worrying to see some getting it turned off...

Do we know if BT are allowed to deploy any further Huawei FTTC cabinets from now on?

If they are completely banned from doing so (or if they will be banned past a certain date) then you'd assume it will be all ECI (or another vendor, Nokia?) cabinets deployed from that point on. May give them added incentive to permanently fix this.

I assume over the next few years some cabinets are going to have hardware failure, and I highly doubt FTTP will have 100% coverage by then.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #313 on: August 10, 2020, 01:23:41 PM »

question is, is there anyone not on that special plusnet trial who still has it?

Yes.
Broadstairs is with Talktalk and he confirmed 2 days ago G.INP was still active.
Seems to still be active on a couple Zen lines also.

I've only seen 2 people complain it has been removed so far.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #314 on: August 10, 2020, 01:42:20 PM »

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