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Author Topic: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband  (Read 47043 times)

Alex Atkin UK

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #270 on: July 17, 2020, 04:22:06 PM »

My Home Hub 5A with OpenWRT on it couldn't hold a stable sync with G.INP but I believe the "official" firmware may do.  Can't really see how they could roll it out if they hadn't fixed their own firmware.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #271 on: July 17, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »

Still nothing on BT. They seem completely uninterested in the trial, so I don't expect to get G.INP unless/until it's rolled out to all ECI cabs.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #272 on: July 17, 2020, 06:18:12 PM »

My Home Hub 5A with OpenWRT on it couldn't hold a stable sync with G.INP but I believe the "official" firmware may do.  Can't really see how they could roll it out if they hadn't fixed their own firmware.

Your BT Home Hub 5A was supplied by BT Retail. Openreach are not BT Retail. BT Retail are not Openreach. The firmware for the BT Home Hub 5A was created for, and distributed by, BT Retail.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #273 on: July 17, 2020, 06:59:51 PM »

Your BT Home Hub 5A was supplied by BT Retail. Openreach are not BT Retail. BT Retail are not Openreach. The firmware for the BT Home Hub 5A was created for, and distributed by, BT Retail.

True, but as they discontinued the previous trial due to hardware problems and AFAIK HH5A was a big part of that, what makes that any different today?
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #274 on: July 17, 2020, 10:12:51 PM »

. . . what makes that any different today?

The complete severage of the inter-company links has now taken place.  :)
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #275 on: July 18, 2020, 12:06:43 AM »

True, but as they discontinued the previous trial due to hardware problems and AFAIK HH5A was a big part of that, what makes that any different today?

What makes you think it was the HH5A?

I don't think anyone has the slightest clue what modems resulted in the last trial being stopped.

It wasn't necessarily the modems that saw issues during the very 1st rollout.
Those modems saw increased latency and a drop in sync.

The last trial was stopped due to a bitswapping issues but that's the only details OpenReach gave.

My Home Hub 5A with OpenWRT on it couldn't hold a stable sync with G.INP but I believe the "official" firmware may do.  Can't really see how they could roll it out if they hadn't fixed their own firmware.

That's assuming those in bold are 1 and the same entity.

Unless by the 2nd "they" you were referring to OpenReach and their ECI modem.  ::)
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #276 on: July 18, 2020, 03:13:33 AM »

Has anyone seen any posts anywhere ECI GINP has been blamed for a problem with their line? 

I've not seen anything negative I am just hoping that a more wider rollout is going soon or even it being rolled out to everyone.

Once GINP is rolled out I can then start with hoping for 3db.  I can dream :)


It's not worked out too well for my line :'(

The problem isn't so much G.INP but rather G.INP is totally ineffective with certain types of REIN and SHINE.   My line suffers from a daily burst of SHINE each day that lasts for a couple of seconds and then is ok for the rest of the day.   No amount of G.INP or Interleaving is going to be able to correct that burst of noise, but problem being the DLM sees it and thinks it should try correct it.    Doesnt help that ECI cabs are not following the #error seconds rule and is penalising lines with much lower amounts of err secs.

This is a summary of how its worked out on my line.   I'm currently banded at 60Mpbs with High Re-TX   :( 

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16/03/2020 No G.INP Connection speed (kbps): 66037 20000
17/03/2020 G.INP applied Connection speed (kbps): 68019 20000
29/03/2020 Resync modem Connection speed (kbps): 68960 20000
11/04/2020 DLM > Retx High Connection speed (kbps): 67984 20000
13/04/2020 DLM > Capped 67Mbps Connection speed (kbps): 66999 20000
23/04/2020 DLM > Capped 60Mbps Connection speed (kbps): 60000 20000


As you can imagine with re-tx high, then my actual throughput speed is <55Mbps :'(


 
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #277 on: July 18, 2020, 03:32:48 PM »

I don't think anyone has the slightest clue what modems resulted in the last trial being stopped.

Which was the last trial? The one in 2016 had an issue with Lantiq modems locking up for which updated modem firmware was available.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #278 on: July 18, 2020, 03:37:39 PM »

I was on the 2016 trial.still waiting for this one...
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #279 on: July 28, 2020, 05:25:30 AM »

So anyway, I had notification around 2.35am from AAISP that my line had gone down/come back up. And would you Adam and Eve it....

(Spot the difference.  ;))

Before:

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xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 21412 Kbps, Downstream rate = 66011 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 55815 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        5.9             6.0
Attn(dB):        13.5            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        2.2             2.2

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              150
B:              51              236
M:              1               1
T:              64              5
R:              12              16
S:              0.0296          0.3771
L:              17272           5410
D:              1093            1
I:              64              255
N:              64              255

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            676057347               2099310
OHFErr:         0               2056
RS:             1271855815              3042399
RSCorr:         1820509         25498
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    767947071               0
Data Cells:     1075736016              0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             11264           3344
SES:            27              0
UAS:            123             102
AS:             1287924

                        Bearer 0
INP:            3.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          8               0
PER:            1.90            6.15
OR:             100.80          202.87
AgR:            55915.57        20203.27

Bitswap:        9633/9633               13123/13129

Total time = 25 days 3 hours 51 min 55 sec
FEC:            5516919         41426
CRC:            5101            3548
ES:             11264           3344
SES:            27              0
UAS:            123             102
LOS:            2               0
LOF:            16              0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 6 min 55 sec
FEC:            6               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            1               27
CRC:            0               1
ES:             0               1
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 3 hours 51 min 55 sec
FEC:            7192            372
CRC:            0               23
ES:             0               21
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            43068           1460
CRC:            0               150
ES:             0               136
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 14 days 21 hours 45 min 26 sec
FEC:            1820509         25498
CRC:            0               2056
ES:             0               1883
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
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After:

Code: [Select]
xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 21383 Kbps, Downstream rate = 60203 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 60013 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.4             6.3
Attn(dB):        13.6            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        2.3             2.3

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              150
B:              244             236
M:              1               1
T:              0               5
R:              10              16
S:              0.0000          0.3771
L:              15757           5410
D:              1               1
I:              255             255
N:              255             255
Q:              4               0
V:              3               0
RxQueue:                96              0
TxQueue:                32              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         31              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           154             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              6.4000          0.0000
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D:              3               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
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OHF:            0               1438949
OHFErr:         0               14
RS:             271135324               3291149
RSCorr:         44              126
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            548544          0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             5484825         0
RSCorr:         3               0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         35              0
rtx_c:          16              0
rtx_uc:         0               0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         0               0
minEFTR:        60001           0
errFreeBits:    8062063         0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    1016872002              0
Data Cells:     616668          0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             11274           3366
SES:            37              0
UAS:            160             129
AS:             8814

                        Bearer 0
INP:            48.00           0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            6.15
OR:             0.01            202.87
AgR:            60320.68        20203.27

                        Bearer 1
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INPRein:        4.50            0.00
delay:          3               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             79.68           0.01
AgR:            79.68   0.01

Bitswap:        606/606         283/283

Total time = 25 days 8 hours 57 min 59 sec
FEC:            5520839         41635
CRC:            10265           3574
ES:             11274           3366
SES:            37              0
UAS:            160             129
LOS:            3               0
LOF:            23              0
LOM:            0               0
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FEC:            0               6
CRC:            0               1
ES:             0               1
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
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CRC:            0               5
ES:             0               2
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
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FEC:            11112           581
CRC:            5164            49
ES:             10              43
SES:            10              0
UAS:            37              27
LOS:            1               0
LOF:            7               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            43068           1460
CRC:            0               150
ES:             0               136
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 2 hours 26 min 53 sec
FEC:            44              126
CRC:            0               14
ES:             0               11
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
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I know my line now has G.INP applied but not sure what the new numbers mean; eg is it now on Fastpath? How does it look to the educated eye?
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tubaman

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #280 on: July 28, 2020, 08:30:34 AM »

Congratulations and welcome to G.INP!
You should be on Fastpath as I believe G.INP lines always are.
Hopefully in a few days your journey to 3dB on the downstream side will begin.
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #281 on: July 28, 2020, 08:44:01 AM »

3db? Even on an ECI cab?

Oh, hang on, the clue is in the thread title, isn't it....  :)
« Last Edit: July 28, 2020, 08:46:11 AM by grahamb »
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #282 on: July 28, 2020, 09:23:20 AM »

Yup, I've been on G.INP on my ECI cabinet for 47+ days now with no interruptions at all and no 3db either. I suspect this is just the G.INP test at present and they will want a lot more testing before changing anything else. I hope they dont want to mess anything up just as much as we dont want it either.

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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #283 on: July 28, 2020, 09:56:51 AM »

Is AAISP actively adding users to the trial or is this just a random lucky user added by Openreach?

Positive news that users are still being added I wish the trial rollout was quicker though.  I feel a decision for a full rollout may never happen and I'll have FTTP before Ginp on ECI!
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Re: Openreach UK Trial Finally Brings G.INP to ECI FTTC Broadband
« Reply #284 on: July 28, 2020, 07:21:36 PM »

I'm with Zen. They told me it's down to OR and they couldn't request me to  be added even though I badgered them to sign up to the trial which they are now on...🙄🙄🙄
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