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[Ronski]

@Weaver you can't have been securing Windows 10 for decades, think about it 

[Weaver]

I didn't mean Windows 10, is that what I said? :-) I meant everything from NT 3.5 to WinXp to Windows 7. So quite a while. I started administering NT boxes for my own development staff in the early 1990s and became a professional sysadmin and security consultant in the 2000s until I retired. I was in R&D for sixteen years in the 80s and 90s doing first games programming briefly, then o/s development for six years then after that core networking product development. But I probably am probably incapable of doing mental arithmetic:-)

[Weaver]

I'm very happy to give anyone who needs it some help, tips whatever, just shout, and I'll try desperately to keep the wretched sermons to a minimum. :-) :-)

[renluop]

Not to worry anyone. Everything is potentially interesting. I'll keep or lose it from the noddle as seems fitting. Mind you, as the aged memory morphs in to a forgettery, maybe fitting should be unfitting!

@parkdale

My comment was not for advice, but merely for views of a perception. The OEM cost differential cannot be great, whatever is the retail.

[renluop]

I'm very happy to give anyone who needs it some help, tips whatever, just shout, and I'll try desperately to keep the wretched sermons to a minimum. :-) :-)

You're not a Wee Free are you? From what I hear a minimum is less than an hour!

[Weaver]

:_) brilliant

[Bowdon]

SSD's are the way to go, with possibly a second bigger storage drive if needed.

I was cautious about SSD's in the early days. I actually bought a small one when I built my other computer but was that nervous I never installed it lol. This PC I'm currently using as one and it makes a big difference.

I would buy Win10 Pro if you can. You'll have more options available.

I think 8GB is considered to be the standard amount of ram these days.

I've bought lots of things from Ebuyer over the years. I bought all the parts to the computer build I made years ago.

I like Overclockers but the issue a lot have is they advertise products being on sale that they don't always have in stock. The flip side is they have good customer service and a good forum.

I probably missed this but how much is your budget for the computer?

[renluop]

£300-400

[Bowdon]

http://www.ebuyer.com/747124-zoostorm-origin-desktop-pc-7260-0184

Zoostorm Origin Desktop PC - £399.99

CPU: AMD A68 3.1 GHz
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz
Hard Drive: 2TB
OS: Win10 Home

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/primo-micro-desktop-home-pc-small-tower-intel-pentium-core-i3-core-i5-fs-415-ok.html

Primo Micro Desktop Home PC - £423.89 (if you select to remove the wifi addon then it brings it down to around £403).

CPU Intel Pentium 3.30GHz Skylake
RAM: 8GB DDR4 2400MHz
Hard Drive: HDD 1TB
OS: Win10 Home

I've noticed on the overclockers one the video output is through dvi or vga only.. if you have an old monitor then that would work.. i think there are dvi to hdmi converters. I'm not sure what motherboard the zoostorm origin pc is using.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-h10a-pre-built-pc-amd-a8-7600-quad-core-8gb-corsair-ddr3-ram-1tb-hdd-windows-10-home

Scan H10a - £429.98

CPU: AMD A8 7600 Black Edition "Kaveri" 3.1GHz Quad Core
RAM: 8GB Corsair 1600MHz DDR3
Hard drive: 1TB HDD
OS: Win10 Home

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-h5i-intel-pentium-g4560-kaby-lake-4gb-ddr4-1tb-hdd-win-10

Pre-Built Home/Office PC with Intel Pentium Kaby Lake - £389.99

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 "Kaby Lake" 3.5GHz Dual Core with HT
RAM: 8GB Corsair 2133MHz DDR4 (you might need to check its 8gb, as the headline says its 4gb)
Hard drive: 1TB HDD
OS: Win10 Home

For a laptop option I looked at PC Specialist

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNoteIV-14-LE/

The 14" UltraNote IV LE - £431

CPU: Intel Pentium 1.1 GHZ
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz (I changed the option from 2GB to 8GB)
Hard Drive: 1TB (I changed from 500GB to 1TB Slim)
OS: Win10 Home (full version. It's £30 more to get the Win10 Pro)

[parkdale]

Windows 10 pro

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Sealed-Microsoft-Windows-10-Pro-Professional-64-Bit-DVD-COA-License-Key/162398015369

This is not an upgrade so must be clean installed - still £100 off from shop prices

@Weaver   Group policy has been borked in Win 10 pro so you can only get it back if you have Enterprise or Educational versions which you can't buy.

Normally I ask people if they really need Windows, would they consider Linux as an alternative. (I think Windows is some form of psychotropic drug that must be imbedded the UI that gives it  I must have it )

I've converted quite a few of my neigbours to Linux, the only downside i'm on 24hr call outs to guide them through updates etc, but i'd rather do that than them getting any form of Trojan/Virus etc.

[Moderator edited to fix the URL.]

[renluop]

On sale with £50 off code, so £349 is Dell3650desktop. The same one is with John Lewis at £399but with their 2 year warranty. Now debating if the extra £50 quid is worth it! hmmm.

An Optiplex SFF is available for £365, but has no wireless, obviously for business. The SFF attracts, but for the cost of getting a card fitted.

[Chrysalis]

of course we must also remember windows 10 is not the only version of windows, windows 8.1 pro has a working group policy, far less telemetry, no data harvesting, no forced reboots and more.

parkdale you mean this stuff? https://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/

[parkdale]

Yep thats the one, as you say this does not apply to Windows 8.1 pro.
My brother bought a new Dell laptop with win 10 home on it, so I had to replace the HD with a SK Hynix SSD 240Gb, then install windows 7 pro on it, 2 days later!! I finally did it with out realising you need to have USB3.1 and NVME drivers on the install disk! and turn off secure boot, still it only took 2 days for my sis in law to find a hacked site looking for recipes! , my brother has given her back the Linux laptop she had before.

[renluop]

Oh learned persons!

Any comment on my recent post?

[parkdale]

Looks good Renloup, Dell is good choice and has excellent after sales warranty etc.