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MaximusPrime

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HLog a mess
« on: December 07, 2016, 01:46:56 PM »

Engineers have replaced all the cable that connects to the main underground cable at this point

I am still having lots of disconnections

My HLog is messed up

Any ideas what could be the problem this time?


Edit: added 2nd HLog from MWDS with 2nd band of downstream tones
« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 02:18:16 PM by MaximusPrime »
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 10:50:34 PM »

Sorry, no. With a quick look, I thought you were not connected via a G.993.2 (VDSL2) circuit . . . but then I realised I was wrong.

I am puzzled by the "blocky", square-sided steps of the Hlog plot.  :-\
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 10:53:33 PM »

@burakkucat,

our town had power outages yesterday, could this have affected my broadband?

Our electricity was out twice at night
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2016, 10:59:40 PM »

Well the effect would be the same for everybody in the area with the electricity black-out . . . unless they were powering their modem/router via a UPS.  :)
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2016, 11:21:26 PM »

Have been reading & looking at MaximusPrime stats the one thing that sticks out is 2.8km /2800 meters to cabinet no matter how good the copper pairs are it comes down to the physical distance on FTTC.

I was hoping you could get a steady line but it appears that is not possible at that distance  :(
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2016, 11:24:38 PM »

@NewtronStar,

I forgot to mention there was crackling again on my phone today

There's a fault but dunno what it is
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2016, 01:34:34 PM »

I wouldnt say hlog is a complete mess.  I think most will go blocky if you zoom in enough.  Even mine which at face value looks a lovely smooth like shows some blocks if I zoom in to show the first 1000 tones.
The longer the line the more blockyness there will be as theres a shorter distance to map until the signal fades so therefore the steps become more pronounced.

The area of concern is tones 180 - 270, particularly those around 260.  Not sure what that is, could be a bridge tap, but if you follow the general curve of how the graph should plot, there isnt really that much of a deviation.  Its attenuating tones 256 - 263 by about 8dB.  Which could probably mean the loss of a few kbps.
However.. compare to your bit load.  Its extremely hard to judge anything in this area due to PSD masking which will affect tones > 500.   It looks like that tiny blip in your hlog has little effect on your overall bit loading.

Problem with vdsl on long lines is that PSD masks, mean not much bit loading goes on in the tones normally used by adsl. Very long lines which are only capable of using the D1 band dont really benefit from VDSL as much as shorter lines.

I find your QLN more interesting.   There's some lovely signs of crosstalk going on... plus some RFI.      :(
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2016, 03:00:14 PM »

@Kitz,

cheers for your analysis.

My phone line is crackling too, surely there must be a fault?
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2016, 07:03:49 PM »

@Kitz,

cheers for your analysis.

My phone line is crackling too, surely there must be a fault?

You have said that before on previous threads and I said get in touch with your ISP to report noise on your phone line and don't know if you have ever taken action to the advice given, or you have and ISP or OR says there is noise or no noise detected on the phone/voice.

Have you had any OR engineers out to look for a phone/voice fault ?
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2016, 07:34:59 PM »

@NewtronStar,

yeah, I contacted the CEO of Openreach & they replaced the cabling up the side of the pole.

Thought that would have done it.

Trying to see if any1 has any ideas this time before I contact them again
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2016, 08:58:00 PM »

I wouldnt say hlog is a complete mess.  I think most will go blocky if you zoom in enough.  Even mine which at face value looks a lovely smooth like shows some blocks if I zoom in to show the first 1000 tones.

Having taken another look at the natural resolution, below, I can see nothing which could be attributed to a problem with the physical circuit. However, that said, the curve is not as linear as I would have liked.
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2016, 09:02:04 PM »

@burakkucat,

thanks for your input, BT said they are bringing FTTP to my area next Summer

That time can't come soon enough!

That's all things go smoothly though
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2016, 12:51:47 PM »

Following a resynchronisation event, at 0712 hours this morning, the Hlog plot now conforms to the shape expected for a circuit of that length --
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2016, 06:47:06 PM »

@burakkucat,

I have noticed when my up stream SNR graph goes straight-ish I get a disconnection, any ideas why?
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Re: HLog a mess
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2016, 08:29:10 PM »

Hmm . . . I can't say that I had noticed the effect.

That 0720 hours resynchronisation event will be due to the DLM process recognising a reduction of errors and gradually bringing the target SNRM back down, with an aim to get it back to 6 dB.
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