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[niemand]

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2016/11/virgin-medias-parent-commits-gigabit-speed-broadband-2018.html

Liberty Global, which is parent to UK cable operator Virgin Media, has today launched a new initiative called GIGAWorld that will help to promote their plans for rolling out Gigabit capable broadband (1000Mbps+) to the 12 European countries in which it operates (most could be done by the end of 2018).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzBrAdafe58

[niemand]

An operator covering half the country will be rolling out a gigabit starting next year. Don't get too excited everyone 

[burakkucat]

Don't get too excited everyone 

I'm not and I won't. In fact I am thoroughly bored by the incessant boasts and forward looking claims by entities (and individuals). 

[Black Sheep]

Me too ............ I'm in the 95% of people who don't really give a sh1t about gigabit speeds, regardless of who provides it. Great news for the other 5% though. 

[Chrysalis]

will it be gigabit with subject to using 100 threads? /me ducks

this is good news in that it will make BT spend more for marketing reasons.

[Ronski]

This is good news, not because I want or need gigabit, but because BT will need to roll out more fftp to compete, and that will bring all the other benefits that fftp has, such as a stable line without the speeds constantly dropping and therefore getting what you pay for, some people seem to forget the large percentage of people effected by distance and / or poor quality lines!

I'm not in a Virgin area, so can't get their services.

[Chrysalis]

agree 100% ronski.

[Black Sheep]

This is good news, not because I want or need gigabit, but because BT will need to roll out more fftp to compete, and that will bring all the other benefits that fftp has, such as a stable line without the speeds constantly dropping and therefore getting what you pay for, some people seem to forget the large percentage of people effected by distance and / or poor quality lines!

I'm not in a Virgin area, so can't get their services.

Could you provide the relevant data that supports this point ??

[niemand]

I would've thought that everyone on FTTC can't get 80Mb is the relevant data?

[Black Sheep]

I would've thought that everyone on FTTC can't get 80Mb is the relevant data?

No ..... that's just your misconstrued thoughts on the subject.

 

[niemand]

I said 'everyone can't' not 'no-one can'. Before crosstalk ate it I had 80Mb. My main line actually had an attainable of over 98Mb when it was the only one on the cabinet live. It currently syncs at about 64.

As soon as someone's speed drops below maximum for the tier they're affected by distance or line quality. Just the nature of the beast.

As Ronski said VM's network doesn't have distance limitations. It's an amplified network which overcomes loss and in some areas fibre is close enough that there're no active components between node and home (n+0).

Whether I agree with his point is irrelevant but I think that's what he was trying to say. Everyone on cable or FTTP networks syncs at full speed or is offline, no rate adaption.

Will be even worse with G.fast unless Openreach refuse to sell it past a certain distance. My d-side is about average length and G.fast probably wouldn't be of any use to me.

It is what it is.

[ejs]

I would've thought that everyone on FTTC can't get 80Mb is the relevant data?

It's missing the word "who", between "FTTC" and "can't". Without it, it doesn't mean what you presumably intended.

[Ronski]

@BS Ignitionnet & Chrysalis both know and I'm sure you do as well, I think your just being pedantic after all you spend most of your days fixing the copper faults which simply wouldn't exist with FTTP, you also know perfectly well just how poor the copper/ally network is, it is afterall a legacy product.

When I signed up for FTTC my estimate was something like 60/15, unfortunately I never got a screen shot so can't remember exactly, my downstream was never that high, it's been as low as 38Mbps and the highest is the low 50's, currently just under 50. My upstream started off around 12Mbps and is now down to 4.2Mbps although it would be a bit quicker if I used the HG612, again this wouldn't happen with FTTP, and this is on a line that you know to be between 450 and 500 meters. At work we're 500 meters from the cab, yet only get 37/6.

If you really want relevant data then look below.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband.html        90% of premises are estimated to not be close enough to get full 80/20 FTTC

Not to mention the forums are awash with people suffering from problems 

[niemand]

Forums are always a bad guide, people only go on them to complain

[Chrysalis]

BS could be out of a job tho with a FTTP network no faults to fix

We have to remember that.