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[aesmith]

Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?

Yes.  He didn't change the back box.

Is there any chance of asking for an upgrade? ...

The downside is you wouldn't be able to fit the A&A DSL, as the layout is completely different with the test socket near the middle.

[Black Sheep]

In theory it should. Including the standard recessed, metal, electrical backing box. 

If it doesn't, then someone has severely blundered and a redesign will have to occur.

FYI ...... part of a quote from our CE's office .........

" .... you need some spacers in case you need to fit the NTE on a metal pattress or dry lining back box until the MK2 becomes available."

[tgwallbank]

I am just interested as to why this does not flush mount onto a recessed back box set into the plaster. If any one has got one what modifications, if any, where required. I am having to change a damaged mk3 vdsl unit and was thinking of obtaining this latest offering.

[Weaver]

@aesmith Clarify - does the new model NTE come with a filter in it? Too groggy to read back through all the earlier threads. Apologies.

[burakkucat]

FYI ...... part of a quote from our CE's office .........

" .... you need some spacers in case you need to fit the NTE on a metal pattress or dry lining back box until the MK2 becomes available."

Ah, ha! So someone in the design process (and I fully expect the person responsible to be external to the BT Group) has blundered! 

[burakkucat]

@aesmith Clarify - does the new model NTE come with a filter in it? Too groggy to read back through all the earlier threads. Apologies.

Currently it is available in two configurations --

• with no filtering and a standard telephony socket
• with the filtering circuity and both telephony and xDSL sockets

The difference between the two configurations is purely in the clip-on front face-plates.

For usage in your environment you would be advised to use the former. (There will be a small insertion loss with the latter and that is something you need to avoid.)

[Weaver]

Many thanks for that summing up. So for the first option I'd have to change over to different modem-to-wallsocket cables. Probably a bad idea, and an inconvenience, so as the change would only be about increased convenience then perhaps I would be better sticking as I am.

[burakkucat]

Yes, I would agree with your conclusion.

To make use of the plain telephony NTE5/C you would need three leads with BT 431A/631A plugs at one end and 6P6C (RJ11) plugs at the other end.

[Black Sheep]

Ah, ha! So someone in the design process (and I fully expect the person responsible to be external to the BT Group) has blundered! 

Ha ha ....... in fairness to innovators, I don't suppose there's many 'Version 1's' that remain so. But given that there aren't that many scenario's regarding the NTE back-box installations, I'd say it is a slight faux-pas 

[Bowdon]

The My Mate Vince youtube channel guy as just made a video on this product. Have a look;

The New NTE5C BT OPENREACH Master Phone Socket & MK4 VDSL faceplate

Hi, this video is an introduction to the new NTE5C master socket and MK4 VDSL faceplate by BT Openreach. It explains the differences between the old NTE 5A master socket and the new NTE 5C and the pros and cons.
Installation videos will follow on how to wire up extensions and how to hardwire data extensions on the MK4 faceplate.
Many thanks Vince

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFMfB-DYmQ[/youtube]

There is a thread on the forum about his other videos: http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14869.0.html

[Geekofbroadband]

hehehe I told him to make a video about it 

[Weaver]

In that Mr Telephone video, the presenter, Vince, demonstrated some worrying problems with the new BT Openreach MK4 VDSL/ADSL filtered faceplate on the accompanying NTE5C. The front plate could come off too easily. Just knocking it could pull it half off, one side having come out. Also problems with running cables into the new NTE5C because of limited space.

A very clever design, but this thing of coming off too easily, without pressing the two release clips on the sides, needs to be fixed. And if you have infants about, they can keep taking the front of the NTE5C off or taking the MK4 SSFP off far too easily and you can't stop them, which will cut off your DSL service. These last two issues are going to cause a lot of tech support calls.

Pressac have done a great job, but it isn't finished. They should be ensuring that there's an effective lock on the device. I'm also concerned about the lack of positive pressure on the metal-to-metal contacts. With the screws in the earlier design, the NTE5A, there was always pressure on the contacts. Where's the pressure now?

[aesmith]

The front plate could come off too easily. Just knocking it could pull it half off, one side having come out

Mine's been installed for just about a month and a half.  The front plate is so loose that just unplugging the phone cable is enough to pull it free on that side.  It really doesn't take much to pull the plate off, even without depressing the clips.   That might be a design goal so that snagging a cable pulls the plate off rather than breaking anything, but if so they've overdone it.  Mine's going to get a couple of self tappers to keep everything secure, it's either that or discard the front plate and use a dangly filter in the test socket.

[Black Sheep]

I've been fitting these for around a month now ..... and can honestly say the frontplate has always been quite secure when the job is complete.
As with any change, I didn't like them at first ...... especially as my failing eyesight struggled to see if the wires were 'all the way home' before pushing down on the connector itself, but familiarity has overcome this now.

[aesmith]

The guy who fitted mine was the same, he said the "tool free" design was actually slower for him than using the tools he was used to.   Does the new design mean that the connections can be re-made after disconnection, without having to cut off the previously used ends?   I can't see what other benefit it would have for Openreach on their side of the demarcation.