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Author Topic: Advice on poor quality line  (Read 45619 times)

MaximusPrime

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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #165 on: July 06, 2016, 09:27:57 PM »

@burakkucat, @NewtronStar,

my disconnections seem to be preceded by lots of FEC's & then CRC's, could these errors be caused by rain?
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #166 on: July 06, 2016, 11:29:55 PM »

Once you have the RPi up and running you can use uk weather radar and see if the rain and DSL stats have something in common.

 
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2016, 12:12:17 AM »

@NewtronStar,

I can see if it's raining out my window lol :)

Strange HLog & Quite Line before I go to bed, attached
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2016, 07:14:32 AM »

Do remember that HLog and QLN are only snapshots of conditions at the time of the last resync. They aren't updated in real time.
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #169 on: July 07, 2016, 07:21:06 AM »

True, though with the state of his line, it's nearly like real time!

At least G.INP has come on, you can see how well the line is performing now!
« Last Edit: July 07, 2016, 07:39:52 AM by William Grimsley »
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #170 on: July 07, 2016, 08:34:29 AM »

@roseway, @William Grimsley,

cheers, yeah with all the re connections HLog seemed to be in real time :)

10.7Mb downstream today, no rain, supposedly going to rain at the weekend so I'll see if it's the cause then
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #171 on: July 07, 2016, 08:58:00 AM »

Excuse me for butting in with what may be a silly question.

Are QLN and Hlog in anyway technically related?
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #172 on: July 07, 2016, 09:08:22 AM »

@renluop,

from my understanding but I might be wrong:

- HLog shows the Attenuation per tone
- Quite Line shows how much noise there is per tone

The lower the values the poorer the quality of the tones

The 2 graphs are probably combined with other info to give your tone graph...
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #173 on: July 07, 2016, 10:32:56 AM »

@renluop: QLN and HLog are quite different things. The only connection is that both are measured immediately before sync.

QLN (Quiet Line Noise) is a measure of the background noise on the line over the frequency range in the absence of any DSL activity.

HLog (Logarithmic Channel Characteristics Function) is effectively the gain of the line over the frequency range, in logarithmic units (dB). This is the inverse of attenuation.

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The 2 graphs are probably combined with other info to give your tone graph...

No, that's not the case. All the other reported values are determined in real time.
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #174 on: July 07, 2016, 10:48:18 AM »

@roseway,

are the HLog & QLN values used by the LCP (Link Connection Protocol) when establishing connections? Resulting in your connection rate?

Was I right in saying the lower the values of these graphs results in lower quality of the tones?
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #175 on: July 07, 2016, 12:38:32 PM »

LCP is concerned with authenticating the internet connection after sync. So it's not related to the connection speed.

I'm no expert on HLog and QLN, so I'm afraid I can't help with your other questions.
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #176 on: July 07, 2016, 05:22:11 PM »

Tiniest bit of rain & I've had disconnections, could there be a problem with the new line that was installed?
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #177 on: July 07, 2016, 06:02:59 PM »

There clearly is a circuit fault but the problem is identifying "what and where". Fifteen resynchronisation events in the last 24 hours.  :(

If you are located in the Surrey hills, to the south east of Guildford, I am sure that Walter would be willing to trundle the wheelbarrow around to your location and initiate a comprehensive infrastructure review & circuit monitoring session.
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #178 on: July 07, 2016, 08:41:21 PM »

Eeek, look at the line now! :-X
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Re: Advice on poor quality line
« Reply #179 on: July 07, 2016, 10:40:32 PM »

Yeah I'm disappointed, been working on getting reliable broadband for a year & a half now since my ADSL started cutting out

I finally get a 10Mb line & it cuts out on the slightest bit of rain  >:(

Fix 1 problem, gets another  :(
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