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Author Topic: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs  (Read 26885 times)

skyeci

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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 10:40:36 PM »

Bear in mind the flashed openwrt eci modem does support g.inp as I used it and saw 8-9mb increase on ds plus a large drop in latency. I only stopped using it due to missing the online stats with mydslwebstats...

I fully understand have a fully working G.INP Arcadyan 63168 Modem & Router but no access to DSLstats when using that modem have to use my trusty HG612 which gives me - 4Mbps on the downstream than the Arcadyan 63168.

The Billion 8800nl would be the best for both worlds  :fingers:

Whilst the 8800nl does indeed work on my line it syncs lower than the eci when g.inp was applied. Now g.inp is off it is showing high amounts of ds es where as post g.inp it was the other way around   ???

Spoke to billion and sent them pre and post stats. Advised to use the older firmware so not totally convinced its the right choice for me
« Last Edit: April 12, 2016, 10:43:48 PM by skyeci »
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 10:47:01 PM »

"Spoke to billion and sent them pre and post stats. Advised to use the older firmware so not totally convinced its the right choice for me"

Exactly why I have just ditched my 8800NL and moved to a TP-Link device! One with a Lantiq VRX268 chipset...
« Last Edit: April 13, 2016, 02:01:58 PM by underzone »
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 10:57:31 PM »

Exactly why I have just ditched my 8800NL and moved to a TP-Link device! One with a Lantiq VRX288 chipset...

Is your Billion 8800NL sitting in the corner gathering dust or has it found it's way onto ebay  ?
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2016, 11:00:18 PM »

"Spoke to billion and sent them pre and post stats. Advised to use the older firmware so not totally convinced its the right choice for me"

Exactly why I have just ditched my 8800NL and moved to a TP-Link device! One with a Lantiq VRX288 chipset...

Yeap much like the eci with openwrt. It synced the fastest out of all the tests once g.inp was applied. I just prefer having stats so at the moment its back on the billion till I can try somethimg else... latency was the same post g.inp
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2016, 11:26:49 PM »

"Spoke to billion and sent them pre and post stats. Advised to use the older firmware so not totally convinced its the right choice for me"

Exactly why I have just ditched my 8800NL and moved to a TP-Link device! One with a Lantiq VRX288 chipset...

which tp model?

Although seems pointless as I could be stuck without g.inp for several months now and I think I have the honour of been the only forum member of not ever having g.inp activated.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2016, 11:31:43 PM »

No Chrysalis, you are not alone. I've also not been activated yet. Not really sure what it's going to buy me, but I live in hope.

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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2016, 02:55:10 AM »

ok good to hear I am not alone :p
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2016, 07:13:34 AM »

Is your Billion 8800NL sitting in the corner gathering dust or has it found it's way onto ebay  ?

I will keep it a few more days until I am certain the TP-Link is as reliable.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2016, 07:15:03 AM »

which tp model?

A TP-Link VR200, £69.99 from Maplin with a 3 year warranty.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2016, 09:38:10 AM »

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the ECI modems and HH5a's do not support G.INP in any directions and they just use the Fastpath or Interleaving profiles

Just a note on this.   
According to Openreach, the HH5A and the ECI modem (as long as it has the updated f/w rolled out last year) support G.INP in the downstream direction only.

See question 3 here, where I specifically asked about the HH5A and ECI modem.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2016, 09:59:44 AM »

This?
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We have been seeing all users on Huawei cabs using ECI modems and the BT HomeHub 5A losing anything up to 10Mbps of downstream speed and experiencing large amounts of latency.  The affected equipment is BT Openreach/BT Retail supplied that should surely comply with SIN498.  Yet these are the ones seeing the most problems due to automatic DLM intervention -regardless if the line needed it or not -  by application of Error Correction (RS overheads cause reduction in sync) and Interleaving (causes delay).  The increased delay through application of Interleaving of 8ms may be the intention but we are often seeing more like 16ms added due to application to both upstream and downstream.  What is happening?

As you note above, to comply with SIN 498, modems and routers must support retransmission in the downstream, but it is not a mandatory requirement in the upstream. Taking this into account and to maintain a high level of service, when we first rolled out retransmission to our Huawei estate we introduced interleaving on all lines where the modem/routers did not support retransmission in the upstream.

We found that in some occasions this introduced increased latency of approx. 8ms, and could also impact some downstream headline rates for some modem/routers.

As soon as we realised that for some modem/routers that donít support retransmission in the upstream, that the introduction of interleaving in the upstream was causing issues, we set about trialling, and subsequently rolling out a reduced interleaving profile in the upstream. This trial has now completed, and all lines have returned to their normal pre-retransmission interleaved state.

Which bit confirms the HH5A and the ECI modem support G.INP?
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #41 on: April 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM »

Taken in the context of the question, which you have chosen not to quote, I don't think there can be any doubt that the modem/routers referred to are the ECI and HH5A.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 10:41:02 AM »

As far as I know the HH5A and the ECI modem pre-date the amendment to SIN 498 for G.INP
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 11:57:21 AM »

SIN498 V5 in 2014 contained G.INP. The ECI's and HH5A firmware updates for G.INP were 2015. SIN498 certification is based on a combination of hardware and specific firmware.
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Re: G.INP rollout 2016 - ECI cabs
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2016, 12:02:50 PM »

Which was the firmware update for G.INP on the HH5A?
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