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Author Topic: I have G.INP on ECI  (Read 229044 times)

WWWombat

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #825 on: July 14, 2016, 04:21:23 PM »

it depends,every case is different.in my case i have a lot of FEC 80k a day when gaming,normally 40k,means that errors get corrected,that's what increase latency,

No - FECs are errors that never happened, and take no time whatsoever to fix. If you get zero, or 5 million, you will see no change in latency.

Interleaving is what adds latency - and that happens from the moment the line profile is set that way. Once the line is configured with interleaving, then even with zero FECs, you will have encountered the impact on latency.

looking at a table here  Burst Protection  adds huge latency.

The important point, however, is that the mere existence of "interleaving" does not imply there is extra "huge latency".

The table you quoted applies to ADSL, and the relationship between "latency" and "interleave depth" really depends on the total speed.

In VDSL2, the important parameter is the "delay" parameter that you highlighted in your first screenshot. There, your line was allowing 8ms of extra latency downstream and 3ms of extra latency upstream: a total of 11ms extra latency.

To achieve this, the modems agreed an interleaving depth of 837 downstream (and an interleaved block size of 128; this is an important number too), and an interleaving depth of 285 upstream (and an interleaved block size of 44).

However, go back and look at the same delay value when G.INP is running: a "delay" of 0. Zero.

Here, I have G.INP running, with INP=48, delay=0, interleaving depth=16, and interleaving block size=139. Your downstream settings (when in mode 2) allow for 8ms of latency, mine (in mode 3) allows for 0.16ms.

As you saw from the graph yesterday, my round-trip ping times (home - London) are currently around 13ms; the extra latency from G.INP is approximately 1% of that round trip time. I wouldn't classify that as "huge latency".

If you post the same screenshot of your line profile with G.INP running, I can calculate yours too.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #826 on: July 14, 2016, 04:46:16 PM »

i'm telling you,in bf4 when i shoot,20/30% of my shots don't register,and when people shoot me, i get the shots like a magnet,i get all the shots in one bang,and when i die my body jumps to who shot me,like fishing  :D

here just restarted:
xdslctl info --stats
xdslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 32028 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101992 Kbps
Bearer: INTR, Upstream rate = 21600 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101028 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Line Encoding: DMT
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
Cell Delin:     0
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.7             10.8
Attn(dB):        0.0             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.7           -13.6

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              -6
B:              243             73
M:              1               1
T:              0               0
R:              10              8
S:              0.0769          0.1079
L:              26422           6079
D:              8               8
I:              254             82
N:              254             82
Q:              8               8
V:              0               5
RxQueue:                100             70
TxQueue:                20              14
G.INP Framing:          18              18
G.INP lookback:         20              14
RRC bits:               24              24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           234             58
B:              0               0
M:              2               2
T:              2               2
R:              16              16
S:              4.5714          16.0000
L:              56              16
D:              3               1
I:              32              32
N:              32              32
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             14143976                1532877
RSCorr:         73              8
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            15920           17068
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             237946          68273
RSCorr:         0               1
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         2306            2
rtx_c:          20              321
rtx_uc:         0               21530

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         0               5
minEFTR:        101033          21591
errFreeBits:    422231          9604269

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    53232957                0
Data Cells:     19875           0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
AS:             274

                        Bearer 0
INP:            60.00           59.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            0.00
OR:             0.01            0.01
AgR:            101132.00       21858.32

                        Bearer 1
INP:            3.00            4.00
INPRein:        3.00            4.00
delay:          2               0
PER:            17.20           16.06
OR:             111.56          31.87
AgR:            111.56  31.87

Bitswap:        137/137         0/0

Total time = 5 min 4 sec
FEC:            73              8
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 5 min 4 sec
FEC:            73              8
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 5 min 4 sec
FEC:            73              8
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 4 min 33 sec
FEC:            73              8
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
TotalRetrains:          0
ShowtimeRetrains:               0
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WWWombat

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #827 on: July 14, 2016, 05:39:38 PM »

i'm telling you,in bf4 when i shoot,20/30% of my shots don't register,and when people shoot me, i get the shots like a magnet,i get all the shots in one bang,and when i die my body jumps to who shot me,like fishing  :D

I can't doubt what you say at all. I can only say that it is hard to put the blame on the extra latency from G.INP. I'll go check through the stats in a minute...

What have you got to compare it to? What is the *best* behaviour, when this doesn't happen?

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willc

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #828 on: July 14, 2016, 06:46:29 PM »

I can't doubt what you say at all. I can only say that it is hard to put the blame on the extra latency from G.INP. I'll go check through the stats in a minute...

What have you got to compare it to? What is the *best* behaviour, when this doesn't happen?

things get a bit better when i change these things:
trellis off i24k off CoMinMgn off sra off and connection noretrain does a big difference.with this tweaks ping lowers about 4/5 ms.
anyway i give up with the isp and all this stuff,i will move out.don't loose time anymore.
thanks for the replies
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ejs

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #829 on: July 14, 2016, 07:35:42 PM »

Most of those tweaks are probably not applicable to VDSL2.

Trellis coding - mandatory to be supported for VDSL2 (and ADSL2, ADSL2+, but optional for ADSL1).
i24k - 24k bytes of interleaving memory - that's an ADSL2+ thing, where equipment either had 16k or 24k memory for interleaving. Not applicable to VDSL2 which needs more memory for interleaving than that anyway.
Min margin - that controls whether your modem will retrain when the SNRM drops below a certain value set by the DSLAM, shouldn't really affect anything else.
SRA - seamless rate adaptation - might affect things if SRA actually happens if you don't disable it.
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NewtronStar

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #830 on: July 14, 2016, 08:13:26 PM »

How can one have a Bearer of 101028 Kbps on the UK FTTC 80/20 service   :-\

Max:     Upstream rate = 32028 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101992 Kbps
Bearer: INTR, Upstream rate = 21600 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101028 Kbps
Bearer 0
INP:            60.00           59.00

seems odd unless they are outside the UK

 
« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 08:20:47 PM by NewtronStar »
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willc

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #831 on: July 14, 2016, 08:19:46 PM »

How can one have a Bearer of 101028 Kbps on the UK FTTC 80/20 service   :-\

Max:     Upstream rate = 32028 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101992 Kbps
Bearer: INTR, Upstream rate = 21600 Kbps, Downstream rate = 101028 Kbps

seems odd unless they are outside the UK

it's italian garbage

@ejs yes i know,but turning off stuff apparently works.
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NewtronStar

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #832 on: July 14, 2016, 08:22:49 PM »

it's italian garbage

Not from what I can see  ;)
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willc

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #833 on: July 14, 2016, 08:31:02 PM »

Not from what I can see  ;)
if performs worse than a dsl in terms of latency and makes online gameplay like a dsl with 7 mb down and 0.256 up 2006 times then yes.
only thing this is useful is to download stuff (piracy)
when i saw fiber availability i was  :dance: then did the first game on bf4 and i was  :'( 
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forceware

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #834 on: July 14, 2016, 08:36:44 PM »

I would imagine then before you were helped out a lot by the lag compensation of the game. Have you done any tracert tests to discover what ping you have to various locations?
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NewtronStar

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #835 on: July 14, 2016, 08:41:01 PM »

Being an X online gamer I did fine with 45-60ms with interleaving you can't just blame G.INP as the issue here I do blame some game servers for the lag you experience.
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willc

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #836 on: July 14, 2016, 08:43:44 PM »

I would imagine then before you were helped out a lot by the lag compensation of the game. Have you done any tracert tests to discover what ping you have to various locations?
it changes always when rebooting modem.after several reboots i can get good ping around 35 on uk servers,but usually 40/45/50.
it's not the ping it's interleaving the problem.i see australians with 90 of ping,turks with 60/80 they all kick my butt  :mad:

Being an X online gamer I did fine with 45-60ms with interleaving you can't just blame G.INP as the issue here I do blame some game servers for the lag you experience.
it's the interleaving man,u are close to the servers uk/germany.on bf4 ping is not so important,like i said turks aus russians they kick me butt
« Last Edit: July 14, 2016, 08:46:25 PM by willc »
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #837 on: July 14, 2016, 09:38:12 PM »

Hi

I have mentioned in other post over gaming.

There are well known or not so well known network exploits to gain an advantage over other players, but if caught, usually lead to a permanent ban of the game.

I have seen this, and usually just move to another lobby

Many thanks

John
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willc

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #838 on: July 14, 2016, 10:33:40 PM »

Hi

I have mentioned in other post over gaming.

There are well known or not so well known network exploits to gain an advantage over other players, but if caught, usually lead to a permanent ban of the game.

I have seen this, and usually just move to another lobby

Many thanks
John
you mean that they are cheating,using hax ?

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d2d4j

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #839 on: July 14, 2016, 10:48:14 PM »

Hi

I would never go that far as to state that, especially as I do not play bf4

I have seen it on Xbox and ps, and know they were not in the position where screen showed

Just look up lightswitch, which can manipulate network, easy to build and use

If it was true latency or interleave, when it caught up given what you said, you would be dead instantly, not in the process of been killed, just as when I played shift, leading the race, suddenly another player may jump straight into first place, even though they were behind me, but when I say first place, they were very far infront

This is how you tell if using network manipulation and works be fooling the game servers into a poor connection when Infact they have an excellent connection

Where this happens, I just change lobbies

Many thanks

John
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