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Author Topic: I have G.INP on ECI  (Read 227813 times)

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #240 on: March 24, 2016, 10:30:28 AM »

Is your version of dsl_cpe_control up-to-date? You might need to build it by passing --enable-model=full to the configure script, or enable everything individually (--enable-dsl-pm-retx-counters and lots of other switches).

Thanks for the info.
I've checked operwrt sources and you're right.

#CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-model=full
#CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-model=lite
#CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-model=footprint
CONFIGURE_ARGS += \
        --enable-model=typical \
        --enable-dsl-pm-showtime \
        --disable-dsl-ceoc
#CONFIGURE_ARGS += --enable-model=debug


I'll try to rebuild it over the weekend.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #241 on: March 24, 2016, 01:19:58 PM »

Speed achieved  50.01 Mbps
IP Profile  50.1 Mbps

Thank you.  Assuming your sync was still 51823 then:-

50100 /51823 * 100 = 96.68%   =   G.INP*


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*near as damn it.   
Possible rounding on framing params and sync speed (ie how some modems on the same line and under exactly same conditions will sync at 80,000, 79,999, 79987 etc)
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #242 on: March 24, 2016, 01:54:38 PM »

Speed achieved  50.01 Mbps
IP Profile  50.1 Mbps

Thank you.  Assuming your sync was still 51823 then:-

50100 /51823 * 100 = 96.68%   =   G.INP*

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*near as damn it.   
Possible rounding on framing params and sync speed (ie how some modems on the same line and under exactly same conditions will sync at 80,000, 79,999, 79987 etc)


That would support Draytek's change log that they added RX and TX G.INP back to the 130 in June (http://www.draytek.co.uk/download/support/readme_v130.txt)
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #243 on: March 24, 2016, 03:47:49 PM »

I'll try to rebuild it over the weekend.

Perhaps also add --with-channels-per-line=2 - the default value is 1, which may explain the issue with the framing parameter reporting.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #244 on: March 24, 2016, 03:55:11 PM »

My cabinet was G.iNP-enabled on Tuesday (WMMAL). My downstream speed has increased from 84000kbits/sec to 88000kbits/sec.
My router log is showing latency fast, downstream G.INP ON, INP 42 downstream/0 Upstream and Bitswap ON downstream. The downstream error counter is a line of 0s (ES,SES, CRC).

The cabinet is an ECI and my line is connected via a Fritz!Box 7490 modem/router. Firmware Fritz!OS 113.06.36-316667 Beta.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #245 on: March 24, 2016, 04:06:41 PM »

Speed achieved  50.01 Mbps
IP Profile  50.1 Mbps

Appreciated.Thank you.

I see that Kitz has already performed the calculation and arrived at 96.68%.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #246 on: March 24, 2016, 04:42:44 PM »

Would it be possible to add a column for modem or modem/router type. Be handy to know whats being used.

I'd been separating the data based on whether the info came from MDWS.  The ones at the bottom were from others who kindly supplied data to us.  Ive just gone through each account and added modem data if it was available.   I think it can be safely assumed that those in the top section are most likely to be using either HG612s, Billions or Zyxels.
I've also trawled through this thread to see if theres anything else I can add.   However I have a headache from hell today (so I skip going to class and sit home looking at figures on the PC instead!) therfore I may have missed something.

If anyone has their R/N data or modem type that I can add manually please say.   
I'll attach the figures in a mo as I want to do a couple more things first and add a summary of what weve seen so far.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #247 on: March 24, 2016, 07:36:19 PM »

SUMMARY TO DATE

This post is to summarise some of the data and recap on the main findings & observations.   It should be borne in mind that we have a lower representation of users on ECI cabs, but based on the statistics so far, I think its safe to say the following:

  • Somewhere around 33%-40% of ECI lines have been upgraded so far.
     
    It is probable that those who are on an ECI cab and who have had a DLM reset wont be updated again until the profiles are rolled out to the remaining lines first.  In the case of the Huawei's BT tended to mop up the reset/new lines in batches every few weeks.  Until then reset lines will be on the new default open profile which is INP=3 & Interleave delay=8 on the downstream.

  • The majority of users have seen an uplift in sync speed - As expected, previously interleaved lines have benefited the most.

    After what looked to be a disappointing start, more users are now seeing speed increases.  For those lines which already sync at maximum, increases have been seen in the max attainable rate.   
    There are only 2 lines which appear to have lost a significant amount of actual sync speed.  One of these has since had a new line (D-side) and DLM reset.  Until DLM catches up with g.inp for this line, we are unable to draw any conclusions and I will be watching it closely.   There are 2 lines currently syncing at max rate which appear to have lost some attainable speed.
     
  • Lantiq based chipsets now appear to be getting better performance on ECI cabinets.

    Pre g.inp,  Broadcom based chipsets seemed to outperform the lantiqs when it came to connection speed.  However, this seems to have changed since g.inp has been enabled on the ECI cabinets.   The lack of full line stats on ECI modems and HH5A have in the past meant its difficult to monitor what is going on with these lines.  However rp00 is using a hacked ECI modem which has the ability to look at line stats in greater depth.   We are continuing to investigate this area, but several members have now proved much better performance on their lines with a Lantiq based modem since g.inp has been applied.   From looking at the information available so far, it would appear that the Lantiq based modems have different framing parameters applied.  These framing parameters are used to calculate how much over-head the line needs for Error Protection (RS/FEC).  Less overhead means more available speed for sync.  It has also been noted that whilst BCM based modems have Interleaved delay of 3 set on the bearer1 channel (which is used for g.inp).  The ECI/Lantiqs do not.   Investigation is still ongoing.  But if the Lantiqs are set to have less RS overheads, then this will explain the better sync speeds.

  • The 96.69% method of using IPprofile to check for g.inp does not work for VRX268 chipsets.

    More specifically it would appear that this may be something to do with it being the ECI modem and HH5A not being able to support upstream g.inp.  Both of these modems can support g.inp in the downstream direction only.  For other lantiq based modem chipsets and those which have had firmware upgrades to support both up and downstream g.inp and the 96.69 v  96.79 calculation still appears to work.   We do not know why this is, but it may have something to do with the different FEC overheads in the framing parameters set (see above). This is confirmed as applying to both ECI and Huawei cabinets. 

Attached below is latest table for ECI g.inp line data.

 - Those in the top block are all monitored by MDWS if you wish to look at any of the stats in greater depth.
 - I have colour coded previous interleaved line data so that it is easier to spot which lines we would expect to achieve the best speed increases after g.inp has been applied.
    Note that because of the way modems work out overheads for Interleaved lines - it is perfectly normal to for those lines to lose some attainable.
 - Gains and losses have been cell coloured to easily spot positive or negative changes.  Yellow indicates no change, or a change of between -100kbps to 100 kbps which is  perfectly acceptable.
 - Figures in red text are those with losses higher than anticipated.
 

Thank you to forum members and MDWS users for sharing their data with us.   

« Last Edit: March 25, 2016, 02:01:26 PM by kitz »
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #248 on: March 24, 2016, 07:37:52 PM »

Great summary, Kitz ...... easy to digest. ^^^  :graduate:
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #249 on: March 24, 2016, 07:45:26 PM »

I've never seen any reference to new firmware for the ECI modems

It was rolled out automatically late 2014 prior to g.inp on the Huaweis.  Any modems which missed this update will fail to get a valid PPP session once the line has g.inp applied.

See ECI modem - Issue 1.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #250 on: March 24, 2016, 09:44:23 PM »

2015?

My firmware on the HH5a is Software version 4.7.5.1.83.8.204.1.11 (Type A) Last updated 23/07/15
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #251 on: March 24, 2016, 09:53:50 PM »

I take it when a ECI cabinet user sees massive upstream errored seconds the DLM will change the depth from 0 to a higher interleaving depth and a increase in delay on the upstream.
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #252 on: March 24, 2016, 10:14:49 PM »

i was g.inped this morning. ive an hg612 line capped to 14500, my upload was 489kps before

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason:   1
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:   Upstream rate = 362 Kbps, Downstream rate = 17272 Kbps
Bearer:   0, Upstream rate = 383 Kbps, Downstream rate = 14496 Kbps
Bearer:   1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:   L0
Mode:         VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:      Profile 17a
TPS-TC:         PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:      U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:      No Defect
Training Status:   Showtime
      Down      Up
SNR (dB):    7.9       5.0
Attn(dB):    32.0       0.0
Pwr(dBm):    8.2       5.9
         VDSL2 framing
         Bearer 0
MSGc:      -6      34
B:      130      11
M:      1      1
T:      0      7
R:      8      0
S:      0.2859      0.9505
L:      3890      101
D:      1      1
I:      139      12
N:      139      12
Q:      8      0
V:      6      0
RxQueue:      22      0
TxQueue:      11      0
G.INP Framing:      18      0
G.INP lookback:      11      0
RRC bits:      0      24
         Bearer 1
MSGc:      90      -6
B:      0      0
M:      2      0
T:      2      0
R:      16      0
S:      10.6667      0.0000
L:      24      0
D:      1      0
I:      32      0
N:      32      0
Q:      0      0
V:      0      0
RxQueue:      0      0
TxQueue:      0      0
G.INP Framing:      0      0
G.INP lookback:      0      0
RRC bits:      0      0
         Counters
         Bearer 0
OHF:      0      398099
OHFErr:      3      6
RS:      793817424      3435717
RSCorr:      3186      0
RSUnCorr:   0      0
         Bearer 1
OHF:      3545712      0
OHFErr:      0      0
RS:      21273899      0
RSCorr:      7      0
RSUnCorr:   0      0

         Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:      1440      0
rtx_c:      1382      0
rtx_uc:      8      0

         G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:      0      0
minEFTR:   14492      0
errFreeBits:   12586336      0

         Bearer 0
HEC:      0      0
OCD:      0      0
LCD:      0      0
Total Cells:   1587625757      0
Data Cells:   14746694      0
Drop Cells:   0
Bit Errors:   0      0

         Bearer 1
HEC:      0      0
OCD:      0      0
LCD:      0      0
Total Cells:   0      0
Data Cells:   0      0
Drop Cells:   0
Bit Errors:   0      0

ES:      59610      14525
SES:      748      3
UAS:      1787      1589
AS:      56954

         Bearer 0
INP:      47.00      0.00
INPRein:   0.00      0.00
delay:      0      0
PER:      0.00      16.69
OR:      0.01      19.16
AgR:      14607.40   402.42

         Bearer 1
INP:      2.50      0.00
INPRein:   2.50      0.00
delay:      0      0
PER:      16.06      0.01
OR:      47.81      0.01
AgR:      47.81   0.01

Bitswap:   37598/37604      0/0

Total time = 1 days 11 hours 49 min 1 sec
FEC:      5299224      0
CRC:      2211      12351
ES:      59610      14525
SES:      748      3
UAS:      1787      1589
LOS:      2      3
LOF:      16      3
LOM:      0      0
Latest 15 minutes time = 4 min 1 sec
FEC:      16      0
CRC:      0      0
ES:      0      0
SES:      0      0
UAS:      0      0
LOS:      0      0
LOF:      0      0
LOM:      0      0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:      18      0
CRC:      0      0
ES:      0      0
SES:      0      0
UAS:      0      0
LOS:      0      0
LOF:      0      0
LOM:      0      0
Latest 1 day time = 11 hours 49 min 1 sec
FEC:      2431      0
CRC:      3      5
ES:      1      5
SES:      0      0
UAS:      0      0
LOS:      0      0
LOF:      0      0
LOM:      0      0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:      247313      0
CRC:      1369      453
ES:      24      446
SES:      10      0
UAS:      30      20
LOS:      1      0
LOF:      9      0
LOM:      0      0
Since Link time = 15 hours 49 min 13 sec
FEC:      3186      0
CRC:      3      6
ES:      1      6
SES:      0      0
UAS:      0      0
LOS:      0      0
LOF:      0      0
LOM:      0      0
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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #253 on: March 24, 2016, 11:17:18 PM »

If you capped the line for stability it may be worth uncapping it as G.INP should decrease errors on the downstream.

Also do you have any stats from before G.INP to compare; attainables etc.

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Re: I have G.INP on ECI
« Reply #254 on: March 24, 2016, 11:30:31 PM »

I'll try to rebuild it over the weekend.

Perhaps also add --with-channels-per-line=2 - the default value is 1, which may explain the issue with the framing parameter reporting.

I've managed to find some time tonight and recompiled Openwrt.
with "-with-channels-per-line=2" build fails with error: #error "DSL_CHANNELS_PER_LINE > 1 feature not released yet!!!"
I've tried this on the latest trunk as well, same result.

Here are rtsg and pmrtctg stats (--enable-model=full)

root@eci:~# dsl_cpe_pipe.sh rtsg 0
nReturn=0 nDirection=0 nRxCorruptedTotal=98444 nRxUncorrectedProtected=1388 nRxRetransmitted=0 nRxCorrected=97056 nTxRetransmitted=0

root@eci:~# dsl_cpe_pipe.sh rtsg 1
nReturn=-38

root@eci:~# dsl_cpe_pipe.sh pmrtctg 0
nReturn=0 nDirection=0 nElapsedTime=1106 bValid=1 nEftrMin=8785000 nErrorFreeBits=1019060 nLeftr=61604

root@eci:~# dsl_cpe_pipe.sh pmrtctg 1
nReturn=0 nDirection=1 nElapsedTime=1107 bValid=1 nEftrMin=4294967295 nErrorFreeBits=0 nLeftr=0



And full status again:

Chipset:                Lantiq™ XWAY™ VRX268
Firmware Version:       5.7.4.3.0.6
API Version:            4.16.6.3
MEI Version:            1.4.8.5
Power Management Mode:  L0 - Synchronized
Line State:             UP [0x801: showtime_tc_sync]
Line Uptime:            14m 48s
Resyncs:                1
DSLAM/MSAN VID:         ECI
XTSE Capabilities:      0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x2
Annex:                  B
Line Mode:              G.993.2 (VDSL2)
Profile:                17a
Trellis:                D: ON / U: ON
Bitswap:                D: ON / U: OFF
G.INP:                  D: Enabled / U: Not Enabled
Virtual Noise Support:  D: Not Supported / U: Not Supported
Attain Data Rate:       63.066 Mb/s / 18.121 Mb/s
Actual Data Rate:       63.645 Mb/s / 18.043 Mb/s
Impulse Noise Prot:     43.0 sym / 0.0 sym
Interleave Delay:       0.22 ms / 0.0 ms
NFEC:                   32 / 255
RFEC:                   16 / 16
LSYMB:                  16 / 4838
Interleave Depth:       1 / 1
Interleave Block:       32 / 255
LPATH:                  0 / 0
Line Attenuation:       17.8dB / 22.1dB
Signal Attenuation:     17.7dB / 21.9dB
Noise Margin:           5.8dB / 6.1dB
Transmit power:         13.3dBm / 6.6dBm
FECS:                   0 / 44578222
ES:                     16 / 15528
SES:                    0 / 1
LOSS:                   0 / 399
UAS:                    34 / 34
HEC:                    0 / 0
CRC_P:                  0 / 0
CRCP_P:                 0 / 0
15m Code Violations:    90 / 0
15m FEC Errors:         0 / 0
1d Code Violations:     90 / 16778
1d FEC Errors:          0 / 44578222


IP Profile for your line is - 61.6 Mbps (96.7868%)
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