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Author Topic: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes  (Read 3106 times)

Chrysalis

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Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« on: January 31, 2016, 08:39:24 AM »

So I updated to build 14xxx

Since I have done a fair amount of hardening etc. to the machine now I analysed what survived the update.

Here is my notes

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Windows 10 build update notes

What is lost on an update.

Bcdedit settings are all reverted to defaults including recovery and DEP settings
Registry settings not associated with a UI applet are reset. such as shortcut folders and built in zip container. (important as many are security hardening)
Some settings survive such as SRP policies configured by cryptopreventer and hashtab explorer extenssions
Group policies survive.
File sharing settings get reset.
IPv6 tunnels reset
IPv6 prefix policies reset
Powershell saved command history lost
Nettime service disabled
Device Driver auto updates reset to enabled.
Task manager settings lost
ccleaner auto removed during update process for compatibility reasons (without my approval)
Intel NIC settings reset

Broken apps due to new build
Avast stopped auto running on boot and required reinstallation to work properly again.
7+ Taskbar Tweaker broken (it broke on TH1 as well which dev had to fix)

So folks we now have a unstable windows code base breaking apps and tweaks have to be reapplied after build updates :D

Luckily since I made a script to mass apply all the tweaks that are lost I simply have to rerun my batch file for those.
Some reset settings like the file sharing I had to reapply ni the UI tho

--updated added intel nic to list--
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 11:29:39 AM by Chrysalis »
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2016, 09:50:41 AM »

Interesting, and I presume you mean version 15xxx. A few of those items won't affect normal users who don't tweak the underlying OS like you do, but if it keeps breaking apps and network shares then it's going to be a complete PIA.

I'll just have ser how I get on once I start moving over to my new PC.
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 10:53:59 AM »

I noticed on the 1511 update it broke some of the file associations. Adobe reader had to be redone and also some image associations too.

I like Win10. But I wish they wouldnt keep changing settings that probably have nothing to do with what they are trying to update.

It makes me think they are using a template to update, so it resets to defaults because of the template.
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2016, 11:27:30 AM »

no i mean 14xxxx build 14251.rs

The reason settings and stuff get lost is because the OS is reinstalled when they do the update, which is a horrible process to undertake.  Its inevitable the people writing the code to restore the data following the reinstall they will miss things out.

When I install windows for friends and family and some for work, I harden the configuration before passing on for use, obviously if the hardening is removed on a build update this is bad.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2016, 11:31:37 AM by Chrysalis »
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 05:35:30 PM »

Have you fed this information back to MS via the insider feedback app?
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 06:51:33 PM »

The 1511 update has driven me back to windows 7.  Even windows update broke along with a number of other things. Interesting day fixing things. Last straw for me. I saved the partition but  I am now back Windows 7. Probably till that ceases to have all support .
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 05:09:56 AM »

Ronski I have but that obviously doesnt go straight to a dev, it will be put in a queue somewhere with no guarantee of been an accepted issue.

I will keep it on the machine out of a curiorisity but win10 wont hit my day to day machines or machines I setup windows for other people, I cant have people sending me machines back because a windows update has broken something.

1511 is the same build, so that may be why ronski said 15xxx.

However windows 8 and 7 have unpatched exploits such as this (yes microsoft are not patching everything discovered).

https://github.com/hfiref0x/UACME
« Last Edit: February 01, 2016, 05:14:46 AM by Chrysalis »
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 05:24:20 PM »

here is what appears on boot now. :)
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Re: Windows 10 rapid development/update woes
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 06:54:31 PM »

My latest build is running nicely, Windows 10 Pro with Samsung 950 Pro SSD and 6 cores running at 4.5Ghz on turbo boost  ;D

I've yet to start installing my general programs and transferring stuff over as haven't had the time, but that couple with my present i750 running at 3.6Ghz works wonders with Ripbot  ;D
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