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Zen FTTP
« on: December 04, 2015, 12:18:04 AM »

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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2015, 12:52:30 AM »

Thank you for the link.

I see that Zen's FTTP offerings are clearly business orientated, with prices to match. (£99 per month excluding VAT.) Ouch!  :-X
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2015, 01:33:57 AM »

Andrews & Arnold's price for an FTTP line is £22 per month, see http://aa.net.uk/broadband-FP.html. That includes no traffic charges though.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2015, 01:36:51 AM »

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Fibre allows very high speeds. Standard 40Mb/s down, 10Mb/s up with an option for 80Mb/s down and 20Mbs/ up. This is not related to the length of the line.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2015, 01:52:25 AM »

Well done to Dray whose keen eyes spotted the nasty speed cap on the A&A service. Since you can get a zen capped service for about the same price per month as A&A but "unlimited" which presumably means no charges for traffic per GB. So clearly Zen are far better value for money.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2015, 01:56:54 AM »

Does anyone really need 330Mbps down/30 Mbps up? ;)
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2015, 02:15:09 AM »

@Dray lots of businesses need >330 Mbps. In fact lots of businesses are buying 10 Gbps and cursing it and thinking about using multiple 10 Gbps pipes.

examples might be: iSCSI; off-site backup where backups have to be completed in a few hours overnight, no excuses; database syncing; delivering edited ultra-high-res uncompressed video footage instead of sending cases containing several hard disks by bike. I don't know where to stop.

I read a while back about a business in Cornwall that ordered a link from BTx that had 10 Gb upstream.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2015, 08:38:40 AM »

Unless I am missing something (am I?) Zen's FTTP price, for unlimited 80mbps is £25, the same as their unlimited 80/20 FTTC? :-\

That would obviously be of interest to those of us who are too far from the cab to get full FTTC rates,  my own speed having declined to mid-twenties downstream (sorry Weaver).  As a usage example, that is only border-line adequate for streaming of UHD TV.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2015, 09:30:38 PM »

So why would you need a phone line ?.

"£16.25 per month when taken with £17.00 monthly line rental. £30.00 per month when taken without line rental "
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2015, 06:01:49 AM »

@Dray lots of businesses need >330 Mbps. In fact lots of businesses are buying 10 Gbps and cursing it and thinking about using multiple 10 Gbps pipes.

Point of order:

Some of the biggest IT companies in the world don't come close to 10Gb even at their largest enterprise sites.

I'm unsure how many companies need to shift uncompressed UHD around. That's a pretty specialised requirement.

I've not seen many companies that generate so much data that they need to shift more than a 1Gb circuit can handle overnight but actually have an 'overnight' window to replicate data in. Replicating at that rate to a DR site causes issues of its own in terms of saturating a 1Gb link due to latency, BDP, loss, etc, let alone trying to saturate 10Gb.

The company you are talking about in Cornwall were trialling XGPON for BT; their enterprise requirements didn't justify 1Gb let alone 10Gb had they been paying full price.

The only companies I know that are buying 10Gb and need multiples are data centre providers and a very few enormous companies that handle massive amounts of data and run their own data centres. People like Google, Salesforce, etc, are these guys however there aren't many of them for obvious reasons. By the time you get to that kind of scale you start looking at leasing your own dark fibre and lighting wavelengths as you need them rather than buying 10Gb at a time.

Having worked with enterprise networks across a variety of companies of all sizes for the past 7 years and working for ISPs before that I think I have seen 10, perhaps 20 companies at most that have a link greater than 1Gb in size.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2015, 08:46:38 AM »

We have a few customers with 10gig links, but they tend to be point to point links to remote data centres or even between branch offices.   10gig to the Internet is not so common.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2015, 07:05:20 AM »

I am very confused why a business would be packing 10Gb between branch offices. Those must be some really enormous branches :)

Some of the biggest technical companies in the world aren't using 10Gb links out of branch offices.

I guess those guys must have very specialist needs if they need that kind of bandwidth out of branches.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2015, 07:42:56 AM »

Sometimes the reason is running out of space and having to relocate people to a separate office.   The cost of the link can make more sense than having to find new premises for everyone, or having the cost of building and operating a separate serve room.    Maybe "between branch offices" wasn't exactly the right description.   My point was that these (that I've dealt with) are internal within the enterprise, not to the Internet.
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2015, 08:26:51 AM »

I was one of those guilty of leading this thread way off topic. Maybe time to split it, pls ? if posters wish to continue the chat about capacity
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Re: Zen FTTP
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2015, 08:28:24 AM »

Anyway, the Zen thing is IMHO a really good deal if it carries with it an unlimited traffic allowance.
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