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Author Topic: AAISP ping and routing  (Read 5290 times)

N0STIE

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AAISP ping and routing
« on: November 25, 2015, 12:24:14 PM »

Hi there,

Anyone here with AAISP? 40/10 or 80/20 VDSL? If so, can anyone post a trace route to some servers such as google.com, bbc.co.uk. I am wondering if they really provide you a low latency as they claim. Am I blind or they do not offer unlimited package? I do not think 300gpbs is enough for a heavy gamer like me :D
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 12:31:16 PM »

They do not offer unlimited - that is how they can provide low latency and full speeds 24/7
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 12:33:42 PM »

but is 300 gbps a month enough for playing games + browsing the internet (mostly youtube) + downloading sometimes (not much) and using a few devices?
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 01:15:12 PM »

I'm not in to gaming, but for all the other activities around 50-60GB per month is adequate for me!
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 02:16:03 PM »

but is 300 gbps a month enough for playing games + browsing the internet (mostly youtube) + downloading sometimes (not much) and using a few devices?

gaming generally doesn't use that much (excluding patches). I've played WoW on a bandwidth and transfer limited gprs connection more than once and it ended up being a few MB for several hours play. Patches or streamed content are a different matter entirely.
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 02:42:48 PM »

what about this? :P

Internet Connection Configuration

Connection Information

Connection time:   0 days,22:56:50    
Data Transmitted/Received:   522.6 MB / 9.8 GB   
Broadband username:   bthomehub@btbroadband.com   
Password:   Not configured
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 02:52:46 PM »

will be youtube I imagine :) streaming video is pretty heavy :)
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 06:24:40 PM »

1. You can have unlimited usage provided you pay for it. By this I mean, that if you choose the per-units tariff then you pay for the GB downloaded and you can download as much as you like.

2. If you take a look at the Office::1 Unlimited deal, I think this is a truly unlimited and fixed cost option,  important as many people want predictable costs. See  http://aa.net.uk/broadband-office1.html you can download flat out 24-hours a day and no bull, no small print, no lying. AA just tell you what is what straight unlike other "corporate" outfits.


* I myself am an AA user but I don't have FTTC, not available to me, too far from civilisation. I use the units-based tariff, so I pay for the GB I download and upload is free. I have unlimited download usage.
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 06:29:50 PM »

I would be happy to post up traceroutes for you but mine wouldn't be very impressive for a gamer because of the BTW part of the path. I (quite happily) have enormous interleaved which increases my reliability and syncs speeds massively at the expense of huge latency. I have locked interleaved to the ON setting rather than AUTO, via AA, via BTW.
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 06:49:09 PM »

IPv4 traceroute to google and BBC, over ADSL1 BTW-20CN
Actually 3 DSL lines, IP-bonded together in both uplink and downlink directions; gives 5 - 6 Mbps d/s combined 0.9 Mbps u/s combined)

IPv4 traceroute to google.co.uk (216.58.210.3), 64 hops max, 56 byte packets
 1  sent:28 loss:0% last:29.4 ms avg:22.981 ms
    firebrick (81.187.---.---)
 2  sent:28 loss:0% last:72.236 ms avg:68.038 ms
    b.gormless.thn.aa.net.uk (90.155.53.52)
 3  sent:28 loss:0% last:51.591 ms avg:70.586 ms
    f.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk (90.155.53.46)
 4  sent:28 loss:0% last:49.37 ms avg:69.806 ms
    195.66.236.125
 5  sent:28 loss:0% last:75.391 ms avg:67.038 ms
    72.14.234.249
 6  sent:28 loss:0% last:69.49 ms avg:69.611 ms
    209.85.250.169
 7  sent:28 loss:0% last:74.11 ms avg:70.779 ms
    lhr08s06-in-f3.1e100.net (216.58.210.3)

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IPv4 traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.20), 64 hops max, 56 byte packets
 1  sent:3 loss:0% last:16.887 ms avg:7.523 ms
    firebrick (81.187.---.---)
 2  sent:3 loss:0% last:201.829 ms avg:156.495 ms
    b.gormless.thn.aa.net.uk (90.155.53.52)
 3  sent:3 loss:0% last:48.116 ms avg:56.714 ms
    b.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk (90.155.53.42)
 4  sent:3 loss:0% last:75.522 ms avg:63.325 ms
    rt-lonap-a.thdo.bbc.co.uk (5.57.80.90)
 5  sent:3 loss:100% last:0 ms avg:0 ms
 6  sent:3 loss:100% last:0 ms avg:0 ms
 7  sent:3 loss:0% last:73.67 ms avg:71.459 ms
    ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk (132.185.254.109)
 8  sent:3 loss:0% last:73.652 ms avg:65.194 ms
    132.185.255.149
 9  sent:3 loss:0% last:75.003 ms avg:76.619 ms
    fmt-vip71.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.20)
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 06:52:25 PM »

The managing director of AA is a keen gamer and understands the needs of the gaming community. You can chat to RevK - the MD - and to staff and AA users on IRC and on Twitter. See http://aa.net.uk/kb-irc.html
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2015, 10:09:03 PM »

thanks for trace route @Weaver, such a high numbers there :O

I will be considering switching to AAISP in near future, but for now I'll stay with BT as I am happy with them, low latency but a bit messed routing to some servers out there. That limited usage and price for 300GB are pushing me off to be honest and price for installation as well.
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2015, 07:34:04 PM »

My line is >4 mi long so I need huge amounts of interleaving, hence the big numbers. I'm in the north west of Scotland, so packets need to get to Edinburgh and then all the way down to AA in the Thames Valley.

If you knock out the first hop, through BT-land, then the times are not so bad from AA to, say, the BBC.

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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2015, 09:37:22 PM »

My line is >4 mi long so I need huge amounts of interleaving, hence the big numbers. I'm in the north west of Scotland, so packets need to get to Edinburgh and then all the way down to AA in the Thames Valley.

If you knock out the first hop, through BT-land, then the times are not so bad from AA to, say, the BBC.

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from your connection, sadly.

On my Zen FTTC the latency between the first and last hop to the BBC is small enough (4ms) to be margin for error caused by me currently being on WiFi.

You can't really prove/disprove any promises of low latency from just a few traceroutes anyway, as its the consistency of the low latency that matters.  A Thinkbroadband ping graph would be more useful, as its the jitter you are looking for.

Personally I couldn't rationalise the premium for AAISP.  When it comes to gaming, the bigger problem is the other users you are connecting to.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 09:40:52 PM by Alex Atkin UK »
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Re: AAISP ping and routing
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2015, 11:39:55 PM »

> Personally I couldn't rationalise the premium for AAISP. 

I wasn't attempting to, as I am not a gamer myself. I have long minimum delays because of interleave. The speed of light time from NW Scotland down to London isn't a big deal.

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