... it is better to lose some freedom, than lose it all.
Please explain the rational of 'lose it all' ?
I would prefer not to trade off *any* freedoms as they do tend NOT to come back !!
Do remember the famous quote of Benjamin Franklin ...
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
ISTM that Franklin could be possibly right in an ideal world, where his principle could be applied successfully, But that world does not exist. Therefore if we will not be willing to accept some inconveniences, things we do not like, we shall at greater risk of losing much more at the hands of those, who hate our culture and more. Remember there are many, like my father, who forewent freedoms to defeat a real evil. Thank God they did, else we may would not have the freedom we enjoy.
Therefore I see no need to explain my rational rationale.
Apologies for the spelling mistake or rather my inability to type which gives me auto correct instead.
I appreciate the sacrifices made by whole generations during the World Wars, including 'my father' during WW2, BUT it is not a fair comparison.
The words of war are used to bring about such comparisons which is to serve a purpose of pushing us towards the loss of our freedoms.
Considering how hard fought for those freedoms were, I would fight a little harder before freely giving them up.
The people we are surrendering them too are not fit to wipe the shoes of the people who fought during the World Wars and stand no comparison to the politicians of the day either.
If the vague and generic laws could be shown to be effective and there was any trust that they would be repealed when not needed I would be happier.
Unfortunately, I trust the Politicians and the Security Services to only perpetuate the apparent need indefinitely as it is such a handy way to keep all possible dissenters/undesirables in their place.
Who defines who are the undesirables ?
There are many groups in this country who have been classified as such by govts in the past who are now accepted or (more truthfully) at least tolerated members of our society.
Such powers have the ability to be misused and past revelations have shown that misuse of power is not uncommon even here in the UK.
It is very easy to accept such loss of freedom if they will not affect you. That is the implied 'Sales Pitch'.
Right now the safe profile is as follows:
You are white , not Muslim, not a migrant, do not have a 'foreign name' that flags you as suspect, do not communicate with people in certain countries, etc, etc and live in an area where the majority is just like you.
Tomorrow who knows what the safe profile will be.
There are many people who will be 'Potentially Guilty' by virtue of their birth and no more.
This will be yet another set of events that is pushing people towards the groups we are trying to fight.
It will provide ammunition to incite further recruitment of the disillusioned and vulnerable.
BTW, I do not match the 'At risk' profile and neither to I match the 'Safe profile' but I can appreciate the concerns of many that they are being treated as 'Guilty' and having to prove their innocence at all times.
Finally, my reason for asking for your rationale (spelt correctly) is that I cannot see any way we can lose 'all our freedoms' unless we give them away freely of our own volition.
There is no external force that can take them away but they can be given away very easily.
The first step is to define a threat that cannot be dealt with in any way other than taking something from you.
You then naturally trust your govt and give them away.