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Author Topic: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]  (Read 2280 times)

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Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« on: September 25, 2015, 09:52:29 PM »

 --Working Group Considers Ways to Access Encrypted Data
(September 24, 2015)
An Obama administration working group has come up with four possible
approaches that tech companies could implement that would allow law
enforcement to access encrypted data. Each of the methods could be
implemented, but each also has shortcomings.
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/read-the-obama-administrations-draft-paper-on-technical-options-for-the-encryption-debate/1753/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-administration-ponders-how-to-seek-access-to-encrypted-data/2015/09/23/107a811c-5b22-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html
http://www.scmagazine.com/white-house-working-group-mulls-ways-to-access-encrypted-data/article/440730/
[Editor's Comment (Pescatore): This topic was very thoroughly
investigated and debated back in the late 1990s when crypto export
controls were tried. The working group summarily dismisses what was
learned back then by saying "Unlike the "crypto wars" of the 1990s..."
and then looks at a similar list of unworkable alternatives that was
considered back then.
(Northcutt): This is a very progressive idea, (humor alert). However, if
we do it in software, all kinds of things that could go wrong, will  =
again and again. So the best answer is to do it in hardware. I have a
suggestion for a name for the hw, the Clipper Chip. Supporting an
intentional back door runs the risk of tarnishing at least one respected
researcher's, (or company's), reputation along the way. And of course,
some software will be needed, so we need to find the company that is
best at the HW/SW marriage as well as intractable EULAs, while still
having the trust of the public, perhaps Lenovo?
https://epic.org/crypto/clipper/
http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.09/denning_pr.html
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428665,00.asp
http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/08/17/lenovo-disables-unremovable-software/ ]
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2015, 03:20:19 PM »

Not a surprise.
By now it should be accepted that GCHQ can capture anything they want at anytime.
This level of surveillance is the norm and we just have to live with it.
The bigger issue is commercial collection of data which we can impact in some way ..... at least I hope that is possible.
Not happy with any of it because there is a neverending scope creep which errodes any pretence of privacy.
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2015, 03:25:09 PM »

You think its "not a surprise" that GCQH have "identifiers" on every IPv4 address ever used in the last 10 years?

You live in a different world to me.

Edit - by "identifiers" I mean users.
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2015, 03:45:28 PM »

I believe that most of what you read in the press and/or Internet is just the tip of the iceberg.

What ever you can think of, related to surveillance, has been thought of before and technology is being used to make it become true.
The limitations you believe are there either in law and/or technology are being pushed all the time.
I know this sounds like paranoia but as time goes on the real limits are being pushed further and further out with each new 'discovery' / leak.

I also have some suspicion of the 'ease' with which these leaks are made, maybe a purpose is being served to leak the 'right' data at the right time.  ::) ;D
The word misdirection comes to mind.  ;D :D
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2015, 04:14:26 PM »

I've been PV'd & DV'd over the years - latest one just went through a week or so ago.

Pretty sure that what most people would consider paranoia or "tinfoil hats" now is what was happening on a day to day basis a decade ago.

Its probably too late to do much about it - certainly not if you live in the UK - but meh we can try.
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2015, 07:55:27 PM »

Pretty sure that what most people would consider paranoia or "tinfoil hats" now is what was happening on a day to day basis a decade ago.

Exactly, I think that it would be an excellent bit of misdirection to 'leak' what is already due to be phased out and replaced by something much 'better'.
The 'Idiot Press' can kick up a fuss and everyone can get all concerned and argue about the rights & wrongs etc etc
Meanwhile, the real work is ongoing and the 'new' capabilities are not even thought to exist as a concept.
Everyone is looking in the 'wrong' direction and a few more years can go by before there is anything to worry about.

I will be expecting the knock on the door in the early hours from a department that does not exists, real soon!! ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2015, 11:05:41 PM »

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When the slide on BLACK HOLE was composed in March 2009, the flat data store held more than 1.1 trillion things which GCHQ had collected since August 2007.

Can't say I'm surprised.

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I will be expecting the knock on the door in the early hours from a department that does not exists, real soon!!

Don't joke - its truer than you think. 
I know from first hand experience that it happens.
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Re: Not sure whether this should be in the Joke Section. [Ex SANS]
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2015, 01:28:55 AM »

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When the slide on BLACK HOLE was composed in March 2009, the flat data store held more than 1.1 trillion things which GCHQ had collected since August 2007.

Can't say I'm surprised.

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I will be expecting the knock on the door in the early hours from a department that does not exists, real soon!!

Don't joke - its truer than you think. 
I know from first hand experience that it happens.

How do you think I know !!  ;D ;D :D :D ;)
It alright, I have always wanted to fly in a strangely quiet Black Helicopter .... blindfolded  :D ;)
I hear Guantanamo is nice this time of year.  :o :o ;)
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