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Black Sheep

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Another one bites the dust ....
« on: September 25, 2015, 07:19:25 AM »

Thanks to the vigilance of our engineers, former cable recovery contractor John Barnes was found guilty and sentenced to 18 months in prison for cable theft.

Two ‘off duty’ Infrastructure delivery engineers spotted a gang recovering cable at midnight in the Chelmsley Wood area of Birmingham in July 2014. They thought the set-up and methods the gang used looked suspicious so decided to call the police. Local officers arrived immediately and spoke with the gang who produced ID cards and job packs. Believing them legitimate they were left to continue their work. Needless to say, the gang hot-footed away as soon as the police left,

The Network Resilience Unit surveyed the area and found a staggering 3,000 metres of cable missing which is worth around £29k to our business. The cost to replace the live section totalled over £100k.

The gang leader, a former cable recovery contractor, John Barnes from Liverpool gave the police his real name on that evening so was easily traced. He appeared in Worcester Crown Court, charged with conspiracy to steal. He was found guilty and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Ben Chadwick from the NRU said “Our engineers are the eyes and ears of the company and had these guys not contacted the police when they did, this gang could have gone on to steal much more of our valuable asset. It’s great to see the criminal justice system working and cable thieves getting a sentence that fits the crime.”

Cable theft is a crime that not only affects our customers but also our ability to build and maintain Britain’s connected future so this is a good result for our business and our customers.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2015, 10:23:35 AM »

Just a shame that Openreach spend more time looking for crime than they do installing actual cables.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2015, 11:04:08 AM »

Give it a rest, Alec, unless you've actually got something worthwhile to say. Sniping at Openreach at every opportunity isn't going to solve any problems.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2015, 12:12:38 PM »

Given that this was reported by BT engineers, shouldn't more effort have been made to actually validate the job packs that the gang produced? I'd imagine a BT engineer can tell if a job looks legitimate or not and the fact they called police should have been a pretty strong hint that it merited further investigation.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2015, 12:51:46 PM »

Yes, it does sound as though the police may have been a bit lax.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2015, 06:00:23 PM »

I believe that the advice given by the BT Group to all employees (cleaners, catering staff, engineers, etc) is to observe and note details but do not get involved, then call: (1) the Police (2) BT Security (24 hours) on 0800 321999.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2015, 06:22:26 PM »

Yes, it does sound as though the police may have been a bit lax.
At first glance that may seem so but I am sure all the paper work would have been on the correct paper etc, as supplied by the contractor.
The only way to validate it would be to chase BT, the robbers would have talked the right talk and be depending on the Police not wanting to look stupid when all the paperwork was 'good'.
It appeared to have worked in the short term to enable them to scarper. (using the vernacular  ;D)
It is difficult to get people to follow procedure when there is a separate pressure to not look bad in front of your peers.
The police are not immune to this and it is something that needs to be addressed during training.
Peer pressure is a problem everywhere and can cause 'interesting' problems that are not anticipated when outside a particular environment and/or social grouping, looking in.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2015, 03:40:40 AM »

It seems that there is a need to publicise a simple validation service that the police can call on to check if work of this kind is legit. The police should have been able to easily find the right phone number for a definitive yes or no from BT.
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2015, 08:20:14 AM »

One wonders if the works were scheduled on roadworks.org or the council's equivalent?
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2015, 10:15:46 AM »

The gang leader, a former cable recovery contractor, John Barnes from Liverpool gave the police his real name on that evening so was easily traced.

Sounds like he was better suited to his old job, cable recovery.   They do say the life of crime is not for everyone.   :D

And in fairness to the Police it sounds like they satisfied themselves that they knew the identity of the 'suspect', it turned out they were right, and they also recorded it.   Sounds to me like a reasonable compromise, which did lead to prosecution once real evidence materialised.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 10:21:25 AM by sevenlayermuddle »
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Re: Another one bites the dust ....
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2015, 05:56:13 PM »

If its in the East Mids then no point in anyone investigating - its pikeys.

Sorry if some of you view that as racist - if you do then IMHO you have none of them near you.
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