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[burakkucat]

Just intalled one of the pairs with a cat5 from router to it, but i don't need to that because as soon as one homeplug device is inserted into the mains things start to happen.

Thank you for that clarification.

[NewtronStar]

I'd love to see FEC counts as low as that shown during your test and I dont have homeplugs installed. See broadstair on MDWS.

Stuart

There is nothing wrong with your FEC's it's up and down spikes the worry would be if was at a constant level of FEC's and if you look at Ronski's FEC's at 280,000 that's what this line had with homeplugs on interleaved though Ronski FEC's has dropped from 290,000 to 21858 since 8am 

[michty_me]

Good point burakkucat, Do homeplugs not ramp up interference once data is passing between? I seem to remember reading that if more data is passing through the link, The more interference they cause.

[burakkucat]

Hmm . . . I would not go as far as saying that Homeplugs cause interference. Some makes are just more sensitive to the incredibly harsh environment in which they are being operated.

Being a scientist and techno-kitteh, I was interested to know the exact conditions under which N*Star's experiment was conducted. 

[Weaver]

I'd be interested to find out what a pair of these devices does to your neighbour's mains and to their DSL.

[broadstairs]

I'd be interested to find out what a pair of these devices does to your neighbour's mains and to their DSL.

I guess the problem with that would be knowing which pahse your house is on and who of your neighbours is on the same phase.

Stuart

[freelander]

I use tp-link home plugs in my set up,

 my set up is a desktop pc with my billion 8800nl sat on top this is next to a double socket with a tp-link him plug in one socket and a tacima 6 way mains conditioner plugged in the other socket, all my cables have ferrite magnets clipped to them , All my power adapters for 2 printers ,router and a desk light and my pc power supply are plugged in to the tacima , I have another home plug in my front room that my smart tv ,fire tv box and a Vu solo2 box are plugged into

I removed  my home plug and monitored for a few hours and then replaced and there was no difference in errors recorded , I have 0 FEC errors , about 30 ES and  about 650 CEC an hour reported by DSL stats,  it may be the tacima is doing something  or the magnets

This is the tacima  I bought
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tacima-6-Way-Mains-Conditioner-Protection/dp/B00UB0G4DQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1443256261&sr=8-2&keywords=tacima+cs929

[AArdvark]

@Freelander

Thank you!!
Someone else who has had no problems with Homeplugs......
Thought is was not just me. 

[guest]

Ring mains networking is the spawn of the devil. End of.

[AArdvark]

Ring mains networking is the spawn of the devil. End of.

Visions of a man with a Sandwich board ...... <jk> 


I know all the minus points but it has not been negative when I have had to use them.
Of course prefer a nice Gigabit network but sometimes you are in a fix and need a solution to work round the lack of a network.
Wi-Fi is not 100% reliable and is impacted by whatever your neighbours are doing if they start overlaping your channel etc.
I have at least 20 other wi-fi connections from near neighbours that I can see with no effort.
They are all tripping over each other.
Luckily there are NO other 5ghz Wi-Fi connections nearby, at least for now. 

[splbound]

I initially had homeplugs when I was on an adsl2+ connection. No issues there and used it to pipe data to my mediacenter pc at the TV, wifi was not cutting it.

Soon as I had VDSL2 installed they severely interfered with sync.
The vdsl2 connection would always drop out if I was passing heavy data to the mediaserver via the homeplugs.
The homeplugs were some generic 500mbps ones bought from 7dayshop.

The place is homeplug free now and am using a wireless AC connection to the media PC now, much better than what the homeplugs could achieve.

[mcfluffy]

I think generally speaking the nature of powerline adapters is they run at a higher frequency than standard electrical current, hence how they are used. An ideal installation would be where the two (or more) plugs aren't more than something like 100 foot of power cable away from each other (might be a lot more, or a lot less tbh, don't know the standard spec details assuming they even detail ideal line length), there aren't any high frequency electrical appliances near-by and there aren't any RCD's in-between the plugs.

I think that last one might be a bit difficult to muster if you have different rooms on different RCD's. Of course if you have an older establishment with good old fashioned fuses then RCD's be damned. Though in my old house, we had an extension put in in the 90's and that entire circuit wwas behind RCD's, the upstairs and downstairs were separate so my powerline adapters were on the other sides of at least two RCD's and probably more than 100 foot's worth of power cable. WHich probably explains why they degraded beyond use after a year or so. Might have actually been damaging the RCD.

I think also if you're going to be sticking your steak dinner in the micro every evening that's probably going to affect the stability of the connection between the plugs regardless of how far away the microwave is on the line. Though I can't fathom how powerline adapters could actually cause interference with VDSL lines (I too only used my adapters back when I had an ADSL2 line and they didn't seem to cause problems with it). Clearly some modems/routers are very sensitive with their power input and having the adapter nearby causes enough intefearence for the modem to get a bit jumpy? Assuming that is what's causing it. If it is maybe using some sort of surge protector or whatever they call those things that "clean" the power on just the modem/router might save it from such issues.

At any rate I think these adapters are perhaps ideal for certain situations but the long and the short of it is if you can afford to run an Ethernet cable instead, that is always the better option.

[roseway]

Powerline connectors send high frequency signals along cables which are not twisted or screened, so they act as transmitters. It's inevitable that they will cause interference on occasions, and of course that interference might affect your neighbours, not just you.

[GigabitEthernet]

Powerline connectors send high frequency signals along cables which are not twisted or screened, so they act as transmitters. It's inevitable that they will cause interference on occasions, and of course that interference might affect your neighbours, not just you.

I can't say I've ever noticed that. I believe it's only a problem in earlier models.

[Weaver]

I would suggest that transmitted interference is an essential risk with this kind of device, since the mains wiring which is unscreened forms a great big transmitting antenna. How much of an effect you see depends on geometry, frequencies in use, length of transmitting and receiving wires, susceptibility of kit to received rfi vs how well it filters the incoming noise out, plus all the other factors that I have forgotten just now.

It's not worth the risk, and if you have neighbours, then I would have to say that it is arguably irresponsible, but that's me being harsh. I certainly wouldn't be at all happy if I found one of these devices in use next door to me.

If you've had no problems with them then fair enough, no wish to cause offence to existing users. This is just my own opinion. :-)