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Author Topic: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?  (Read 5825 times)

Weaver

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Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« on: August 14, 2015, 08:18:21 PM »

I currently have three Dlink DSL-320B modems running in parallel. They come preconfigured as modems as opposed to (crap) routers by A&A, from the aa.net.uk shop, really really cheap.

On 20CN ADSL1.

These DLinks aren't quite fast enough to get to 2272 ds sync rate reliably. (The magic number which is the threshold for the BT 20CN ADSL IP profile 2000 rung.)

So I need something faster. The Netgear DG834 v3 is very aggressive, but might only get over the threshold some of the time. I have problems with old dying PSUs for these devices, and recent wise comments about ageing electrolytics make me wary of relying on a heap of these devices, available from eBay for no money.

I looked very briefly at the delicious Draytek Vigor 130. Yum. PPPoA to PPPoE conversion and RFC4638 (1508 byte MRU/MTU), but not fast enough, although I didn't give it a long enough trial, and it could be that DLM tricks were mucking up the result, pre KETP (KFC 001 draft) discipline. So unless these devices have been unfairly treated, they are off the final list.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 08:36:00 PM »

So what else could I try?

Huawei HG612 sounds too scary, what with the fact that it phones home and upgrades its own flash.

Need a spectacular modern slightly more aggressive performer, a turbocharged Draytek ideally. And a specialist on ADSL1, not treating the oldest protocol as an afterthought and focusing on VDSL2.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2015, 10:57:31 PM »

The old BT Business Hub (the 2-Wire 2700HGV) was reckoned by many to be the best ADSL1 performer on long lines.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015, 12:48:20 AM »

The 2Wire is not completely tamed, iirc. I did some reading up on this device, some people put in a huge amount of work on it.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015, 03:30:16 AM »

From what I'm able to establish, there are variants of the HG612 that have BTAgent entirely disabled - I actually think you can disable it yourself on the most recent firmware, but I'm not sure how it's done.

However, the 2wire 2700HGV did offer a much higher sync than anything else I was using back when I was on a BTW based service on a 6km line.  It also valiantly fended off DLM intervention and was rock solid.  You may still be able to get a hold of the older unlocked ones on eBay. 

Another one you may be adventurous enough to try is the TP-LINK TD-8817.  This has received many mixed reviews, and in my experience some quite unusual performance - but it might actually do what you require it to do in syncing higher than normal.  In my experience it seemed to massively misjudge the SNR and sync much higher with a much lower SNR than the target would have set.  My Sky lines set on 3dB would've went live with a SNR of 1.3dB - this didn't hold though.  While the Broadcom based chipsets could've held on at 1.3dB (and lower), whatever was in this one just couldn't and resynced every few minutes.  You're on a different DSLAM (TI chipset, perhaps) and operating most likely at a higher SNR which will give you more breathing space, so given how cheap it is - it might just be worth a go.

This may be bad advice though, and if it goes crazy with resyncs DLM may fly off the handle...
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2015, 09:18:13 AM »

I'm on a TI DSLAM, and my target SNRM is the usual 6dB, with the DLinks, the SNRM doesn't tend to drop much below that.

I notice the error counters go through the roof with the DLinks if the sync rate is increased slightly by DLM, so it seems that those devices are being pushed as far as they plus the line can go. I think this means that target SNRM tweaking is just right out of the question.

The only way I can see to go is to get a _better_ device, if such is even possible, rather than a foolish one. A device that could run at 4dB even, without error counts off the scale so as to trigger DLM anyway, now that would be interesting.

I can't of course do only 1 bit on a tone, that would require ADSL2. This is an area where I'm missing out, but failing breaking into the exchange and reflashing the DSLAM I'm going nowhere.

I wonder if a device with a better analog front end would be the way to go. An active input filter, that's the only route for possible improvement I can see. Reject more crap by cutting out the tones that are not in use anyway and lose no volts because it's active not passive. So a filter would have to be illegally narrow and tunable.

More gain on the input of course amplifies the noise, but perhaps an amplified _signal_ would give the electronics behind something juicier to get their teeth into.

It seems to me that if someone made a "hifi" quality variable-width active input filter, then this would be a generally useful bit of kit. Perhaps someone needs to make one. (Would need to be a pair poss, so that the US could be dealt with too properly.)
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015, 09:24:45 AM »

I hear what you say about the TP-Link. Am thinking about that.

I need to re-read the copious iirc load of stuff that there is on the 2Wire.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 11:51:47 PM »

Does anyone have anything to report about experience of using a Draytek Vigor 130 on an ADSL line? (Not VDSL.) Ideally a really long line.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2015, 08:13:46 PM »

I don't have any experience of the Draytek, but until recently I was on 20CN ADSL at around a 5km distance.

Out of the many routers I tried, the best overall were all Broadcom - a Speedtouch 585v6, a Netgear DG834GT (old Sky router flashed to DGTeam firmware) and a Billion 8800NL.

In my router graveyard I have a 2wire that you're more than welcome to, but personally I didn't find it that great on our TI exchange. The speed was similar/very slightly higher, but it dropped out a lot.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2015, 08:42:58 PM »

I had quite good results with a seimens speedstream 4100, should be quite cheap on ebay, and its a modem only
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2015, 09:16:44 PM »

Having seen The Lion's suggestion it made me think of the Huawei SmartAX MT882, which was provided by TalkTalk around 8 - 9 years ago. They are still available via eBay.  ;)
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 08:41:31 AM »

@aruba - very generous of you to offer. I'm on a TI exchange, so not likely to provide the boost combined with reliability I'm looking for.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 08:42:37 AM »

@Burakkacut, Loonylion - I'll sniff around. Many thanks.
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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 09:16:22 AM »

I have a horrible line and similar to the above poster the best (only)  stable performing units I have are all Broadcom i.e. Speed touch 585v6 was best followed by Billion 7800N.

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Re: Dlink DSL-320B - faster alternatives?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 12:17:09 PM »

speedstream 4100 is a TI AR7 IIRC.
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