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AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« on: August 04, 2015, 08:31:07 PM »

See
    http://www.revk.uk/2015/07/baroness-howe-at-it-again.html

the government making further attempts to castrate the internet and interfere with our freedoms.

A good reason to sign up with A&A, if you need one.
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 08:36:23 PM »

To be fair, I can kind-of see what's she's saying. She's coming at it from the child-angle, i.e. she's worried about children being exposed to innapropriate content.

I'd hardly call it limiting our freedoms.
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 08:43:24 PM »

@AlecR - I understand.

A&A's approach is that all their customers have to be over 18, and all have to sign up to say they understand that it's an unfiltered service, and they would say that parents need to supervise their children not hand this off to ISPs who have been forced into taking on the role of government censors.

A&A offer advice on parental controls on your own machine,mand on how to configure alternative DNS for those who wish it.

RevK the boss of A&A points out that he has children himself. But I believe they would say that the right way lies in parental control software, in routers or PCs or using DNS, where it can be the parents' own choice as to what kind of filtering is used.

That's what I meant about freedom of choice.
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 08:47:19 PM »

A&A subscribe to the “mere conduit” philosophy, governments don't seem to understand that ISPs don't produce content, they merely transport it to the end user.

No one would ask the Royal Mail or a phone company to censor what they carry. (North Korea?)
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 11:02:22 PM »

A&A subscribe to the “mere conduit” philosophy, governments don't seem to understand that ISPs don't produce content, they merely transport it to the end user.

No one would ask the Royal Mail or a phone company to censor what they carry.

This ^

Whilst I kind of understand where she is coming from, I dont think she fully understands some concepts of the Internet. There's parts of the report I agree with but other parts I could pick holes at.   

IMHO parents should take more responsibility and there are various things they can do such install NetNanny type apps and use of OpenDNS.     I dont go much with the parents dont know what to do attitude either.    I very first got internet access in about 95/96 via a work laptop which had a modem because I had to upload to HO every day.   Back then I knew nothing about PCs or the Internet but having a very small child in the house I made sure I learnt and I also strictly supervised her access.    As she got older I learnt to set rules in my router and made it my responsibility to control her access. 

I'm not even sure if most of it comes via ISP traffic anyway as more kids tend to be using mobile devices.   Perhaps some sort of lock app on the device to filter content would be more appropriate?
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 11:44:23 PM »

I believe parents need better advice, from people who really know what they are talking about. And they need to be told that older, computer-literate kids will easily bypass  pretty much anything. And that the censorship policies of these products are highly questionable with over- and under-filtering being common. In my former work as a consultant, I had to give advice to customers about this, and I used to let them read a report by the American Librarians' Association (or similar) which said basically that nothing works.

So I told the charities I worked with to simply not even think about leaving children unattended with the web. I did always turn Google Safe Search on, that helped a lot with the mums who had just typed in "sex day old chicks", for example.
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Re: AAISP slagged off in the House of Lords
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2015, 08:27:54 PM »

It's OK citing the "think of the children" rhetoric to use to censor the internet, Lots of internet users don't even have a child in their household and they are adults, So censorship is not wanted or needed, I pay for internet access and expect to be able to access any web site that is open to the public, regardless of if it's hardcore porn, file sharing  ect,(Full internet access)
All politicians are clueless about how the internet works, and our P.M is no exception with his idea about stopping the use of encryption did he fall of planet zanussi, but part of his surname is a fact MORON ?
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