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[kitz]

No PSTN service on this line, only copper pair for VDSL.

I suspected it may be, hence asking if there was a way you could do a QLT. 
Glad that AAISP has already explored that option, because those spikes do look a bit similar to what you could see if the phone rang/was in use if a HR fault was present.   

Another possibility is REIN 
.... although you'd think that would also affect the first line 

[Weaver]

I hear what you say about no PSTN, I wonder if there’s a chance that BT* didn't obey A&A’s instructions.

Could always try dialling in to that phone number (if exists?) while watching to see in SNRM drops.

[CrazyTeeka]

No PSTN service on this line, only copper pair for VDSL.

I suspected it may be, hence asking if there was a way you could do a QLT. 
Glad that AAISP has already explored that option, because those spikes do look a bit similar to what you could see if the phone rang/was in use if a HR fault was present.   

Another possibility is REIN 
.... although you'd think that would also affect the first line 

To do a QLT, I usually plug in my test phone using a Phone Plug to RJ11 adapter into DSL face plate, when I pick up phone a recorded voice announces line number and circuit ID, then does a QLT, A&A record it their side.

I have considered REIN, I have an AM radio and ICOM Radio Scanner, and have been monitoring 612 Khz, there is some noise present in the air.

I hear what you say about no PSTN, I wonder if there’s a chance that BT* didn't obey A&A’s instructions.

Could always try dialling in to that phone number (if exists?) and watching to see in SNRM drops.

A&A's CEO has a blog post about why, heres link - http://www.revk.uk/2015/03/naked-dsl.html

[Dray]

I'm waiting for two RJ45 to RJ11 DSL cables (1 meter) to arrive in the mail, going to see if those help.

If those are solid copper cables, infrastructure not patch, from Mr Telephone, they are useless.

[CrazyTeeka]

I'm waiting for two RJ45 to RJ11 DSL cables (1 meter) to arrive in the mail, going to see if those help.

If those are solid copper cables, infrastructure not patch, from Mr Telephone, they are useless.

It's these - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B9G40QE

[Dray]

They look flat rather than twisted-pair

[GigabitEthernet]

If those are solid copper cables, infrastructure not patch, from Mr Telephone, they are useless.

Can you explain why?

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just curious.

[CrazyTeeka]

They look flat rather than twisted-pair

I'll know once I try them, if they make things better or worse, the main reason for purchase was plugs either end that fit snuggley into router and face plate, out of interest what cables would you recommend?

Another question on my mind is are BT80B-RF3's safe to use on FTTC/VDSL lines?

[Dray]

I bought a UTP RJ11-ended cable from Kenable which turned out to be cca not copper, so I tried Mr Telephone solid CAT5 RJ45-RJ11 which turned out to be worse. I think Tandy do High Speed RJ11 DSL UTP copper patch cables which is what I'm really after.

[Dray]

Another question on my mind is are BT80B-RF3's safe to use on FTTC/VDSL lines?

Wouldn't you be better off with the OR Mk2 or Mk3 faceplate?

[GigabitEthernet]

I bought a UTP RJ11-ended cable from Kenable which turned out to be cca not copper, so I tried Mr Telephone solid CAT5 RJ45-RJ11 which turned out to be worse. I think Tandy do High Speed RJ11 DSL UTP copper patch cables which is what I'm really after.

Why was it worse?

From what I understand, solid core cables perform better than stranded?

[Weaver]

stranded vs solid = "skin-effect"

[Weaver]

I have the kenable ones. (0.5m, various lengths avail)

I have bought the tandy ones in the past, I was not aware there was a difference.

I’m assuming that there's no point in having a SSFP filtering faceplate since there's no LF to filter as no PSTN and no filter means no possibility of inline attenuation caused by it.

@dray - re: "cca" - not ideal of course, but mine are only 0.5m long, so the resistance is hopefully low anyway (esp compared to my 4+ miles of copper). out of interest, how did you discover the composition of the two cable types?

[GigabitEthernet]

So wait, I want stranded cables?

[Dray]

If you check out MDWS you'll see my line had a few issues yesterday, so I removed the Mr Telephone cable and replaced it with my Kenable cable. I was thinking of either crimping an RJ11 plug onto a RJ45 patch cable, or buying the high speed DSL cable from Tandy.