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[NoZephy]

No G.INP on my line, just downstream interleaving causing the usual 8ms delay.
Kind of annoying considering I play online quite frequently so an even lower ping would be nice to have.

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DSLAM/MSAN type:        BDCM:0xa485 / v0xa485
Modem/router firmware:  AnnexA version - A2pv6F039g1.d24m
DSL mode:                VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                  Showtime
Uptime:                  3 days 12 hours 5 min 7 sec
Resyncs:                0 (since 11 Jun 2015 15:05:04)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  19.1 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 69723 20000
SNR margin (dB):        6.3 6.4
Power (dBm):            12.6 7.6
Interleave depth:        1365 1
INP:                    3.00 0
G.INP:                  Not enabled

RSCorr/RS (%):          0.1898 0.3766
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        0.0004 0.0000
ES/hour:                1.73 12.1
Billion 8800NL w/dh65 Firmware before trying the HG612


Got my hands on the HG612 the next day and tried it


And now back on the 8800NL again with 2.32e Firmware


Also something I managed to observe is that before I switched to the HG612 and had my upload speed drop slightly, my ES were quite high on my download (in the thousands for 2-3 days). After having the HG612 on my line though and switching back the Billion the errors seem to have gone down quite significantly. (Not the FEC's though, still in the millions ) _{Hurry up G.INP}

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Since Link time = 3 days 12 hours 28 min 7 sec
FEC:            6787326         6342
CRC:            364             1516
ES:             110             1315
SES:            0               0
I'm not sure if the drop in upload was actually due to firmware or from me swapping out routers, I did leave over an hour gap between swapping them out. Gonna keep an eye on it though

EDIT: Just went through the Billion forums and another user has posted differences between 2.32e, dh65 and a HomeHub5, his post is more about the loss in download from HH5 to Billion but I couldn't help but notice his upload results from the different firmwares.
2.32e: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html?id=143362984377990330150
dh65: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html?id=143294137876852178099

DOUBLE EDIT: I've come to the conclusion that for me at least this seems to be something with the latest firmware trying to be conservative on the upload...Just gone back to dh65 firmware after an hour of being disconnected and behold, my upload has gone back up again!

[kitz]

I hate to be a spoily-sport, but I think that last one may be a tad more than it should be?   I think thats one of the reasons why I prefer the TBB speed tester because you get to view the graph and can see performance over the whole test rather than perhaps a spike change things.

[NoZephy]

Thankfully I thought ahead and did a test with the new firmware on TBB before downgrading, forgot to link them in my previous post though
Sure, the Speedtest results do spike on a majority of the test servers but even considering the spikes from SpeedTest, the drop of around 1Mbps is consistent on both speedtest and TBB

2.32e Firmware


dh65 Firmware

[Chrysalis]

speedtest.net definitely isnt the most reliable upload tester out there, due to the too small buffers.

Also as kitz said the last one is an impossible legit result.

For you guys saying the new billion firmware is slower in router mode you need to check what the default QOS settings are.  Just downgrading again isnt helping anyone.

I just checked on my billion since I am on the new firmware and QOS page is blank.  I dont have the lower upload speed but I suspect this is due to me using bridge mode, so I think we need to report it as a bug.



If its deliberate it may be to combat buffer bloat, as asus rolled out adaptive qos on their routers which has been discovered setting upload limit to 90% of the connection speed, makes massive improvements on buffer bloat.

[gyre]

It would be fairly easy (and informative) to check for bufferbloat, assuming that http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest is accurate.

[Chrysalis]

yeah thats what people have been using, I can only get a C due to no qos on my router, its also possible plusnet's shaping pushes it up as well.

[adslmax]

Billion uk support has aware of new firmware with upload speed problem with the QoS setting page went blank (bug) as this might be the reason of 1 Meg drop on the upload.

[Jaggies]

I can confirm I have also experienced the drop in upload speed since installing the new firmware in my 8800AXL.

The following figures are from MDWS:
On 21/04/15, the last but one time my link dropped unexpectedly, I was connected at Upstream rate = 16429 Kbps, Downstream rate = 55695 Kbps
I did the "upgrade" the weekend before last, my download stayed roughly the same, my upload went from 16429 to 15934 Kbps.
In the early hours of this morning my connection dropped, and changed to Upstream rate = 12912 Kbps, Downstream rate = 54494 Kbps.
I thought I would try a resynch around 14:00 today, so disconnected the internet and powered the router off for about 15-20 minutes

On restarting, my connection rates have dropped again, to Upstream rate = 12396 Kbps, Downstream rate = 54049 Kbps. The downstream is a bit lower, but that's a significant drop in the upstream.

I'll need to try reverting to the previous firmware, if I can find it. Does anyone have a link?

[Chrysalis]

your issue is different, the others is just a throughput issue, not the sync speed.

[underzone]

I'll need to try reverting to the previous firmware, if I can find it. Does anyone have a link?

http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15512.0.html

[les-70]

This firmware has a new dsl driver but for some odd reason its only for the AXL not the NL.

  I may be mistaken but the current 8800NL 2.32e firmware from the usual support location has the 39g driver which I think is the same as the AXL.  Strangely the releases notes say that it does not have that driver???   I have flashed it and it shows 39g and I will try it tomorrow.

[Chrysalis]

yeah its possible the axl previously had an older version?

if you have the axl please test as I am curious

I can confirm the nl has the same dsl driver as before as I am using the new firmware currently myself.

[les-70]

  I just have the NL, it meets all my needs.  I think your right the AXL must have previously had an older dsl driver so it is not a case of the AXL leaving the NL behind but rather it catching up.

[gyre]

Billion uk support has aware of new firmware with upload speed problem with the QoS setting page went blank (bug) as this might be the reason of 1 Meg drop on the upload.

I installed the new firmware last night and saw a 1-1.5 Meg upload speed drop.  Messing about with the QoS setting page, firstly changing the 0's to the actual speeds (20000/80000), and then back to 0's again, I got back my full upload speed.

I measured the bufferbloat in both cases.  With the lower upload speed I found the bufferbloat averaged at about 90ms (grade B).  With the full speed, the bufferbloat went up to 300 or 400ms (grade C or D).

-- gyre --

[adslmax]

Billion uk support has aware of new firmware with upload speed problem with the QoS setting page went blank (bug) as this might be the reason of 1 Meg drop on the upload.

I installed the new firmware last night and saw a 1-1.5 Meg upload speed drop.  Messing about with the QoS setting page, firstly changing the 0's to the actual speeds (20000/80000), and then back to 0's again, I got back my full upload speed.

I measured the bufferbloat in both cases.  With the lower upload speed I found the bufferbloat averaged at about 90ms (grade B).  With the full speed, the bufferbloat went up to 300 or 400ms (grade C or D).

-- gyre --

Can you post screenshot setting please