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Author Topic: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.  (Read 289042 times)

ktz392837

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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #750 on: November 05, 2015, 12:24:45 PM »

I hope that support for ECI cabs is still being worked on.  Hopefully kitz or blacksheep have further information.  I will certainly kick up a fuss with CEO and Ofcom especially if they start advertising faster speeds when 30% of the network is on ECI cabs that are severely affected by not having GINP.  Do not get me started on forgiving OR taking 5 years to plug in my cabinet - rubbish cabinets and incompetent management - get it together!  I wish I was on the none commercial rollout - I would have a huweai cabinet and it would have been active years before my BT commercial rollout.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #751 on: November 05, 2015, 08:11:11 PM »

I hope that support for ECI cabs is still being worked on.

So do i am just starting to lose patience at my end and i'm not even an ECI cab users the only thing G.INP is good for is stability my line never liked fastpath and when it was on fastpath it was always on the edge of the cliff for errored seconds even on the BT speed profile.

I'll wait another four months that should take us to february 2016.
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Chrysalis

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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #752 on: November 05, 2015, 08:28:32 PM »

I would be pretty annoyed if I was on a interleaved line, so I do feel for those interleaved ECI users.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #753 on: November 18, 2015, 10:40:18 PM »

 how do i tell what cabinet i am on and if G.INP is enabled on the line
running HG612 Firmwares [New H-Wolf version] but seem to get a slighty better sync on my talktalk router
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #754 on: November 18, 2015, 10:45:52 PM »

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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #755 on: November 18, 2015, 10:55:03 PM »

Code: [Select]
DSLAM/MSAN type:           IFTN:0xb204 / v0xb204  should i still be using the HG612 FTTC
Modem/router firmware:     AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                    32 min 3 sec
Resyncs:                   0 (since 18 Nov 2015 22:22:09)
         
                           Downstream   Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):     22.1      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):   Not monitored     
Connection speed (kbps):   33685      8621
SNR margin (dB):           6.3      6.2
Power (dBm):               12.2      6.2
Interleave depth:          659      1
INP:                       3.00      0
G.INP:                     Not enabled      nope

RSCorr/RS (%):             0.0088      0.0007
RSUnCorr/RS (%):           0.0001      0.0000
ES/hour:                   8.01      0


and thanks for ur quick reply and help

[Admin note: I've taken the liberty of putting those stats between code tags for better formatting]
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Bowdon

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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #756 on: January 16, 2016, 10:57:22 AM »

STILL no news on G.INP for ECI cabinets.

I think someone in BT / OR needs to have a long hard look at this situation. I understand the need to not rely on only one cabinet supplier. But damn, lets say 50% of their cabinets can't support the technology they tried to rollout.

I have to also wonder if there was some technical reason why vectoring never got introduced too.

It'll be interesting if both cabinet makers can support G.fast. If ECI fail at that I can see a lot of complaints.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #757 on: January 16, 2016, 12:37:51 PM »

Vectoring is probably a financial not technical decision.

They have made the business decision to roll out g.fast over the next few years to FTTC areas.  To maximise the take-up of those g.fast services they need the performance gap to be as wide as possible, vectoring would reduce that gap.  Also vectoring is potentially expensive if they only utilise per card vectoring which would require rearrangement of copper bundles to get optimal performance which in turn requires manpower.

I remember posting over a year ago I can forsee BT only rolling out new technologies to hauwei cabinets, only one person agreed with me and that was Ronski.  We both recognised BT have a thick skin when it comes to dealing with bad press or unhappy consumers and they wouldnt even flinch at the though of creating a 2 tier service based on cabinet lottery.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #758 on: January 16, 2016, 12:54:23 PM »

I doubt we'll (anyone on ECI cabs) see G.INP or anything else for that matter, probably including g.fast unfortunately, anytime soon. It looks like ECI is just a lost cause to BT.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #759 on: January 16, 2016, 01:18:05 PM »

Regrettably I have to agree. Another example of Openreach doing Retail's bidding.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #760 on: January 16, 2016, 02:12:45 PM »

Regrettably I have to agree. Another example of Openreach doing Retail's bidding.

What has BT Retail got to do with this? Its Openreach's equipment which doesn't support G.INP etc.
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Bowdon

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« Reply #761 on: January 16, 2016, 09:04:55 PM »

I can imagine if the ECI cabinets dont support G.fast there is going to be a public backlash. Seeing adverts offering these massive speed increases then people go to order and because they are on an ECI cabinet, people arent going to take it well.

I'm sure that will hit their shares too.

Though I will say that I wonder if the actual job of the cabinet will change when G.fast comes out, as it will really be a distribution hub to extend fibre lines out. I wonder if there will be any 'cards' (I'm using the word cards as I'm not sure of the technical terms for them) inside the cabinet if all its doing is acting as a pass-through for fibre cables to the pole.

Also does the sound/interfering come from the connection of copper to fibre? So if it was fibre to fibre then there wouldnt be the same interference?
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #762 on: January 16, 2016, 10:37:01 PM »

The cabinet cards will stay as the FTTC services will still exist.  Also that g.fast will be offered from cabinets and my guess is early on it will be a cabinet only service with possible extended DP's for g.fast added later.  But those DP's on poles will only have limited ports not enough to move all FTTC customers to.

A glimmer of hope may be that if they need to upgrade the cabinet ECI line cards for g.fast then the new cards may then support proper g.inp/vectoring.
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #763 on: January 17, 2016, 12:00:30 AM »

Does the interference that G.INP fixes comes from the copper connection in the cabinet? i.e. if it was a fibre to fibre connection then in theory there wouldnt be any need for G.INP?
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Re: G.INP - BT rollout 2015.
« Reply #764 on: January 17, 2016, 01:15:55 AM »

Does the interference that G.INP fixes comes from the copper connection in the cabinet? i.e. if it was a fibre to fibre connection then in theory there wouldnt be any need for G.INP?

no it comes from the copper wires. even with g.fast from the dp it may still be needed to deal with interference picked up by the dropwire.
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