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Chrysalis

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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2015, 11:27:53 AM »

I've thought for a long time they are building a full fibre network, just spreading that build over many decades.Gradually the fibres will get closer to everyone's homes.

That is how I see it also.
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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2015, 01:31:32 PM »

I've thought for a long time they are building a full fibre network, just spreading that build over many decades.Gradually the fibres will get closer to everyone's homes.

That is how I see it also.

I wonder how much more this is going to cost compared to going straight to FTTP, though - all those FTTC cabinets that get obsoleted, all those pole-mounted G.FAST DSLAMs (if that ever happens). BT is more than capable of doing FTTP when it wants to, and even in areas where they'll never make the money back. In the meantime there's still a "digital divide"
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2015, 01:47:25 PM »

in the long term it may cost more but openreach are sort of operating like they reliant on payday loans doing whats cheapest at the time.

Although I can understand why they took this approach as FTTx at the time of the decision they made was an unknown to them.

In areas of FTTP there is stories of install times overunning by many weeks suggesting openreach are struggling with FTTP.
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2015, 02:15:57 PM »

operating like they reliant on payday loans

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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2015, 02:17:22 PM »

It may cost more in the long run, but therefore be affordable in the short term, and far quicker to roll out, meaning they also get a return on investment coming in sooner. Our estate doesn't have any ducts, some bright accountant thought they'd save some money and just bury the cables when it was built in the 1970's. All sorts of problems like this greatly prolong the roll out of FTTP - we've all seen how delayed FTTP is.  With G Fast they will probably just need to run ducting along the main road through our estate, no need to do the side roads.

Whilst I'd rather have FTTP, I also rather have FTTC now than be waiting another few years for the FTTP roll out to get there.

Think of what BT is doing is a bit like taking out a mortgage or loan, which costs a lot more in the long run but means we can afford to buy things we otherwise couldn't.
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2015, 02:26:46 PM »

Veering to the side issue of link quality. The attachment I post below seems to show how much more efficient the .png format is file size wise over .jpg. N'star is first and mine is second in my attachment.
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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2015, 03:12:24 PM »

operating like they reliant on payday loans

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« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2015, 03:17:18 PM »

It may cost more in the long run, but therefore be affordable in the short term, and far quicker to roll out, meaning they also get a return on investment coming in sooner. Our estate doesn't have any ducts, some bright accountant thought they'd save some money and just bury the cables when it was built in the 1970's. All sorts of problems like this greatly prolong the roll out of FTTP - we've all seen how delayed FTTP is.  With G Fast they will probably just need to run ducting along the main road through our estate, no need to do the side roads.

But equally there are areas where FTTP or FTTdp should be more straightforward, but which aren't getting it, while seemingly more expensive/more difficult areas are getting FTTP. Everyone's situation is different. Down here they seem able to get FTTP done relatively quickly - from town centres and busy roads to rural farmhouses in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps I live in some alternate universe?

And of course areas like the B4RN footprint where BT is scrambling to deploy its own FTTP network. I wonder why they can't make do with FTTC?

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that BT could never do FTTP everywhere, but they could be doing a much better job of it than they currently choose to (and have made some effort in some counties, such as Cornwall's 20 or 25% FTTP compared to barely anything for the rest of the country).

Whilst I'd rather have FTTP, I also rather have FTTC now than be waiting another few years for the FTTP roll out to get there.

Think of what BT is doing is a bit like taking out a mortgage or loan, which costs a lot more in the long run but means we can afford to buy things we otherwise couldn't.

Would you say the same if you were 1km+ from the FTTC cabinet, struggling to get ADSL2+ type speeds (or are indeed unable to get any new service) with no plans for BT to do any further improvements? Especially when there are people even more out-of-the-way than you that can enjoy 330Mbps today. Because that's how things are for some people. I have a pretty good FTTC connection, but I'd be livid if I was one of those fobbed off onto satellite while others in similar situations are on FTTP

There's also the question of whether the taxpayer is getting the best VFM by getting a technology that is already pretty dead end, except for the small percentage that have been deemed worthy of rolls-royce FTTP. Presumably G.FAST or FTTP will mean BT getting the begging bowl out again and/or rural areas getting the shaft (as I'd speculate that areas that can receive Virgin or another alternative provider that can beat FTTC will be first on the list)

The whole thing is a bit like the Highways Agency building a single carriageway road even though future traffic predictions suggest dual-carriageway or a motorway is necessary, and then acting surprised when a few years down the line it's in need of an upgrade again, when they could have done it properly from day one
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2015, 07:22:14 PM »

I totally agree with you Sorc, things could be done a lot better I'm sure, like a lot of things in life. I am lucky I get a fairly good speed, but at only 450 confirmed meters from my cab I should be getting much better speeds than I am, lowest I've had is about 38Mbps (some time ago), the best about 50Mbps (more recently), and I was the first on the cab. So fortunately I'm lucky enough to get a reasonable speed, and one that will suffice for the time being.

I guess we'll never really know why BT's gone about it the way the have, perhaps being such a vast organisation they can't react quickly, bit like a super tanker, whereas B4RN being a small company can react or alter plans quickly.

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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2015, 08:12:16 PM »

BT seem to be half stuck in the old nationalisation mentality, which unfortunately usually ends up dragging out jobs for longer than necessary e.g. like the councils and roadworks.

I'm not having a go at BT really as they are in a unique situation. That the network was laid down with government money many years before it was privatised and now though they are a private company are expected to carry on running the network. So they are probably being overly financially cautious.
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2015, 11:42:14 PM »

in the long term it may cost more but openreach are sort of operating like they reliant on payday loans doing whats cheapest at the time.


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The attachment I post below seems to show how much more efficient the .png format is file size wise over .jpg. N'star is first and mine is second in my attachment.

Thanks for that..  I think it was also mentioned in another thread recently about .pngs efficiency compared to other formats.

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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2015, 11:51:37 PM »

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I wonder why they can't make do with FTTC?

 A large part could be due to the fact that they dont own any copper, so it would complicate things to have to access the existing Openreach network?  The way they operate on the basis where its more of a barter system of time for shares and relying on as much as possible for free. Their business model is unlike anything else we have seen.

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Would you say the same if you were 1km+ from the FTTC cabinet, struggling to get ADSL2+ type speeds

Unfortunately it will always be that the more urban districts get the newer technology first.  The more users there are in an area then the more cost effective it will be.   Those further out are less profitable and BT appear to be using 'proper' FTTC only where its more cost effective to do so... or theres no other alternative :/

BT have never been a forerunner in technology and have a cautious approach..  although they seem to have dropped a clanger with the ECI's :/
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2015, 12:38:26 AM »


Quote from: Renluop
The attachment I post below seems to show how much more efficient the .png format is file size wise over .jpg. N'star is first and mine is second in my attachment.

Thanks for that..  I think it was also mentioned in another thread recently about .pngs efficiency compared to other formats.

Normally I do use .png but if i have to use Photoshop to edit stuff then .Jpeg gives me a better compression ratio to fit the screenshot into Kitz's limit of 200K   :phew:
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« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2015, 12:58:01 AM »

If you need to exceed the 200k limit use something like Photobucket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photobucket
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Re: G.FAST
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2015, 07:14:04 AM »

Normally I do use .png but if i have to use Photoshop to edit stuff then .Jpeg gives me a better compression ratio to fit the screenshot into Kitz's limit of 200K   :phew:
My comment was not meant as a criticism. I was surprised myself. I use PhotoPlus and the export default is png in my version.
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