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Chrysalis

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newt and engineer
« on: February 13, 2015, 06:27:02 PM »

Remembered he had visit today, had a look at his graph and massive increase in ES plus still interleaved :(, await some news from him.
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2015, 07:17:27 PM »

Could that be an indication of G.INP ?  :-\  Or am I just caterwauling nonsense?  :-X
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2015, 08:12:19 PM »

Yes the interleaved depth on DS is 17 and 8 on the US and both DS and US INP: shows as 0:0 the inp would normally be 3 and delay 8 the errored seconds are 4 times higher than normal for a 24 hour period  :o

all the engineer did was a line reset.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2015, 08:24:31 PM by NewtronStar »
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2015, 08:46:36 PM »

Can you talk us through what actually happened, NS ?? We're not supposed to 'just do resets' without first finding a fault. I have my own thoughts on that, but I like to think I do as good a job as I can ?  :)

He must have at the very least carried out a PQT, as this is mandatory on any kind of BB fault, be it ADSL or VDSL.
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2015, 09:45:43 PM »

Can you talk us through what actually happened, NS ??

I'll try my best BS the fault was called into to ISP as a DS SNRm issue and after 2 attemps by the ISP the SNRm swing was not resolved so was able to talk to tier2 and they found an issue but needed and engineer to visit.

The BT engineer first tried his VDSU from the Cat5e extension cable but was unable to sync yet the HG612 had no problem syncing, my guess is the VDSU unit only expects to see two terminated pairs and is confused if all the pairs are connected to the RJ11 plug like the CAT5e.

The Engineer was able to get a sync from the JDSU on the upper socket on the MK3 (master socket) then he did all the tests and then removed the SSFP and check the back of the nte5.

and then hooked a small box that needed a mains feed and the end was then fead into the JDSU and this was to take a sample of my line stats to BT for five minutes.

The ohms test was positive on the pair only 1 ohm of a difference and then asked me for my phone and did something then the engineer used his mobile and line was reset.

He got a good cup of coffee and each of us talked and I have the utmost respect for BT Engineers  :)
« Last Edit: February 13, 2015, 10:21:25 PM by NewtronStar »
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2015, 10:17:55 PM »

Hmmm ......... it sounds like he gave it a fair crack of the whip, tbh ??.

The 'Small box needing a mains feed' I'm guessing, is the unit we plug in to a 13-amp socket to acquire the 'Earth'. We need a good 'Earth' (less than 16kohms I seem to remember being the figure ?) as a reference to test our pair of wires against.
Our testers automatically tell us if the 'Earth' is good or bad. This is the PQT test.

The 5 minute test he performed is a different test altogether. It isn't mandatory and not many engineers that I know actually do them, so fair play to your engineer. It is what we call a 'DSL Close-out test', and just like the PQT test, the results are blue-toothed back to our laptops and then on to our TADDS (Test and Demo Site) systems, for proof-positive that the circuit is behaving as it should do at that point in time.

I have to say, I'm not sure about the Cat5 extension scenario ?? As far as I am aware, the JDSU should have synchronised at that point as well, but you may well have hit upon something ?? If so, I have never come across this situation ever before ?? As such, I'm wondering if the issue is actually with the extension cable/socket/whatever it is ... as our JDSU's are far more sensitive to fault conditions than the modems/routers are. For example, they will struggle to synch/maintain synch on a fault condition that the EU's modem/router has no problem with.

Just a thought.  :)
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2015, 10:20:56 PM »

The 'Small box needing a mains feed' I'm guessing, is the unit we plug in to a 13-amp socket to acquire the 'Earth'. We need a good 'Earth' (less than 16kohms I seem to remember being the figure ?) as a reference to test our pair of wires against.
Our testers automatically tell us if the 'Earth' is good or bad. This is the PQT test.

One of these?
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2015, 10:50:08 PM »

whatever it is ... as our JDSU's are far more sensitive to fault conditions than the modems/routers are. For example, they will struggle to synch/maintain synch on a fault condition that the EU's modem/router has no problem with.
Just a thought.  :)

Thats exact words the engineer said this morning you guys are from the same mold, the BT Engineer that visited me to-day has 33 year under his belt  8)
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2015, 11:21:33 PM »

anyway i am getting scary errored seconds and if this is g.inp in action how will the DLM compute  all this  :-\
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2015, 11:34:10 PM »

anyway i am getting scary errored seconds and if this is g.inp in action how will the DLM compute  all this  :-\

Well so far you're Amber to the DLM - so so far you'll stay as you are. Although see how it goes I would, looks likely you'll get further interleaved :(

Shame the engineer didn't find a little fault, ali lines anywhere did he tell you?
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2015, 11:59:56 PM »

Well so far you're Amber to the DLM - so so far you'll stay as you are. Although see how it goes I would, looks likely you'll get further interleaved :(
Shame the engineer didn't find a little fault, ali lines anywhere did he tell you?

Thats just it jid monitor it and see what happens  ;)

the engineer did say the line length was 1km /1000 meters from cab on the jdsu but sure i new that on google earth using ruler options, the engineer was unable to answer which type of cable is used on my D-side.
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2015, 12:05:10 AM »

Can you talk us through what actually happened, NS ?? We're not supposed to 'just do resets' without first finding a fault. I have my own thoughts on that, but I like to think I do as good a job as I can ?  :)

He must have at the very least carried out a PQT, as this is mandatory on any kind of BB fault, be it ADSL or VDSL.

BS didnt you say you have done resets before starting the job to stop it affecting test results?

If newt had a reset it didnt last long.
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2015, 12:54:56 AM »

anyway i am getting scary errored seconds and if this is g.inp in action how will the DLM compute  all this  :-\


Can we see your full stats from the xdslcmd info --stats command?

Those will definitely confirm whether G.INP is enabled or not.


The high error seconds could just be due to DLM being reset, probably leading to DLM action quite soon to apply a much higher Interleaving depth etc.
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2015, 01:20:01 AM »

ok heres the info --stats

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# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 6916 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32648 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 6972 Kbps, Downstream rate = 32530 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.3             6.0
Attn(dB):        24.6            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        11.1            4.2
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              26
B:              243             237
M:              1               1
T:              64              33
R:              10              16
S:              0.2387          1.0837
L:              8512            1875
D:              17              8
I:              254             127
N:              254             254
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            7310268         1259168
OHFErr:         1687            0
RS:             467840528               355285
RSCorr:         147159          7
RSUnCorr:       26436           0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            18915           0
OCD:            892             0
LCD:            892             0
Total Cells:    1753117661              0
Data Cells:     3285628         0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             848             0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
AS:             28032

                        Bearer 0
INP:            0.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          1               1
PER:            3.83            8.97
OR:             50.07           28.52
AgR:            32580.26        7000.21

Bitswap:        19459/19466             80/80

Total time = 7 hours 47 min 58 sec
FEC:            147159          7
CRC:            1687            0
ES:             848             0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 2 min 58 sec
FEC:            110             0
CRC:            2               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            1377            0
CRC:            19              0
ES:             15              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 7 hours 47 min 58 sec
FEC:            147159          7
CRC:            1687            0
ES:             848             0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 7 hours 47 min 11 sec
FEC:            147159          7
CRC:            1687            0
ES:             848             0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
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Re: newt and engineer
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2015, 01:38:24 AM »

If newt had a reset it didnt last long.

Chry the DS interleaving depth went straight to 17 after reset  :-\
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