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Author Topic: The H in HLOG?  (Read 7098 times)

boost

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The H in HLOG?
« on: February 04, 2015, 10:56:46 AM »

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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 01:31:31 PM »

I can't seem to find what it stands for either :P
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 03:45:03 PM »

The function is H(f) which is channel gain plotted against frequency. It can be expressed in two forms: HLin(f) in which the gain is expressed in linear increments, and HLog(f) in which the gain is expressed in logarithmic increments. In the context of DSL, gain is always a lot less than 1, so the logarithmic values are all negative. H is presumably just the mathematical symbol used for gain in this context.
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 05:09:53 PM »

H Linear
H Logarithmic

Arbitrary or otherwise, 'H' must stand for something? :)
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 06:41:35 PM »

If it does, it doesn't seem to be googlable (is that a word? - it should be  ;)).

I suspect it's an arbitrary symbol, as roseway suggests, in the same way that impedance is 'Z' and inductance 'L'.
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 07:03:00 PM »

Perhaps it does mean channel, because Hlog is channel response.
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 10:56:10 PM »

I'd also go with CHannel Characteristics Function
According to TR-090 5.5.1

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Sub-Carrier Number (1..J)
 Channel Characteristics Function Linear Representation Scale (HLINSCds/ HLINSCus)
 Channel Characteristics Function Linear Representation (HLINpsds /HLINpsus)
 Channel Characteristics Function Logarithmic Measurement Time (HLOGMTds / HLOGMTus)
 Channel Characteristics Function Logarithmic Representation (HLOGpsds/ HLOGpsus)
 Quiet Line Noise PSD Measurement Time (QLNMTds / QLNMTus)
 Quiet Line Noise PSD (QLNpsds / QLNpsus)
 Signal-to-Noise Ratio Measurement Time (SNRMTds / SNRMTus)
 Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNRpsds / SNRpsus)
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 11:02:28 PM »

Is it just a coincidence that Windows Regedit uses HKey preceding Software etc? I,ve long wondered why the H.
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 12:01:43 AM »

Ive always thought that stood for hotkey
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 08:17:46 AM »

The Windows registry is split up into Hives, hence the abbreviation for HiveKey.
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 03:10:35 PM »

I thought roseway might have been right: H = Gain.

In electronics, the gain of a transistor is usually written a hFE; a very common parameter.

When you look in detail, it might not be quite so obvious:
Etymology of hFE shows that this term is actually one of many "h-parameters" ... and they aren't all gain.

In other places, the channel characteristics seem to call "H" the "Transfer Function", which seems to be a mathematical model to represent the output vs input of a black box (in this case a length of copper pair)
Wikipedia's page on Transfer Functions shows H(s) defined as a transfer function.

I guess in this case, the transfer function does indeed represent gain (or loss).

JDSU seem to call it Transfer Function too.

Edit: Fix URL & typo for transistor
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 05:22:09 PM »

Having done some reading, I believe transfer function is, indeed, the correct definition.

JDSU seem to call it Transfer Function too.

Hmm . . . Somehow I don't think that is a correct link!  ;)
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Re: The H in HLOG?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 07:37:00 PM »

Ahem  :-[
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