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Author Topic: Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}  (Read 3201 times)

Bald_Eagle1

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Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« on: September 21, 2014, 11:33:47 AM »


Topic split by admin to discuss attenuation.   This was about the best starting point without disrupting the flow of both threads.
Original topic is here:- http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=14457.0





I don't know if this is used to report the single attenuation value, but tones 232 to 239 (tone 232 is approx 1 MHz frequency) report -24.875 in my Hlog data:-

   232      -24.8750
   233      -24.8750
   234      -24.8750
   235      -24.8750
   236      -24.8750
   237      -24.8750
   238      -24.8750
   239      -24.8750


Rounded up, that would be the 24.9 dB that I mentioned above.

What is reported for Hlog at tone 232 to tone 239 on your connection?

If it is approximately 14.8dB, it might confirm what data is actually used to report the single DS attenuation value.

« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 12:46:58 AM by kitz »
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Re: Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 01:05:00 PM »

   232          -8.0625
   233          -8.0625
   234          -8.0625
   235          -8.0625
   236          -8.0625
   237          -8.0625
   238          -8.0625
   239          -8.0625

to get 14.8 I need

   704          -14.7500
   705          -14.7500
   706          -14.7500
   707          -14.7500
   708          -14.7500
   709          -14.7500
   710          -14.7500
   711          -14.7500
   712          -14.8750
   713          -14.8750
   714          -14.8750
   715          -14.8750
   716          -14.8750
   717          -14.8750
   718          -14.8750
   719          -14.8750
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Re: Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 01:16:22 PM »

   232          -8.0625
   233          -8.0625
   234          -8.0625
   235          -8.0625
   236          -8.0625
   237          -8.0625
   238          -8.0625
   239          -8.0625

to get 14.8 I need

   704          -14.7500
   705          -14.7500
   706          -14.7500
   707          -14.7500
   708          -14.7500
   709          -14.7500
   710          -14.7500
   711          -14.7500
   712          -14.8750
   713          -14.8750
   714          -14.8750
   715          -14.8750
   716          -14.8750
   717          -14.8750
   718          -14.8750
   719          -14.8750


Oh well. That's one possible theory blown away then  :(

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Re: Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 12:37:09 AM »

I meant to respond to BEs post the other day, but another post elsewhere reminded me to revisit this..  and I was concerned by me adding the following information that it may take the original thread off topic and confuse things.. so Ive split the relevant posts into a new thread.

I don't know if this is used to report the single attenuation value, but tones 232 to 239 (tone 232 is approx 1 MHz frequency) report -24.875 in my Hlog data:-

What is reported for Hlog at tone 232 to tone 239 on your connection?

If it is approximately 14.8dB, it might confirm what data is actually used to report the single DS attenuation value.

These are my tones 232 to 239

Code: [Select]
232          -9.1875
   233          -9.1875
   234          -9.1875
   235          -9.1875
   236          -9.1875
   237          -9.1875
   238          -9.1875
   239          -9.1875

One thing that the Zyxel does do in the web GUI is (like the HG612) record attenuation as a single figure.  I'll attach a screen cap from last week the GUI so you can see its giving me the following figures

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Total Attenuation:       12.2 dB           12.8 dB
These figures can change slightly.. for example Im currently showing

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Total Attenuation:       12.6 dB           12.8 dB

When using the TP-link I would get

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Line Attenuation (dB)   16.1   16.4

As with the Zyxel, my upstream atten was prone to change by the odd 0.1 dB after a resync of the TPlink, so I have some figures such as 16.2 dB etc.


I dont know where the Zyxel is getting those figures from as they dont appear to show in any of the usual commands such as pbParams.
For reference, these are my pbParams figures

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                  VDSL Port Details               Upstream                Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           30021 kbps              89219 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             6.3 dBm               14.3 dBm
====================================================================================
  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 0.7 17.9 27.5 N/A N/A 10.8 24.0 37.7
Signal Attenuation(dB): 0.5 17.8 27.4 N/A N/A 10.6 23.8 37.7
        SNR Margin(dB): 14.4 12.9 12.4 N/A N/A 8.4 8.3 8.4
         TX Power(dBm): -6.0 -26.4 6.0 N/A N/A 11.9 7.4 7.4

« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 01:45:51 AM by kitz »
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Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 01:02:21 AM »

Ive been playing with some figures in excel to see if I can find any correlation between any particular hlog figure.

Ive only been playing with the upstream tones (purely because there are less) and I cant seem to find anything definite to tie up the band attenuation reading to one particular tone as such.   Average across all tones in the medley band doesnt work.  Averages across all tones in use - ie remove the 96.5dBs doesnt work.

The nearest I can get is taking the number of tones in use for the band and finding the exact midpoint value and compare value.  This works for my u0 and u2....  but not for u1 where I have a few 96.5dBs.   It is only a few tones away though from my exact midpoint.


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btw Chrys and I will have more tones in use..  which may be why your tone 'x' isnt matching up to ours?
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Re: My FTTC woes {split to discuss atten}
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 01:39:31 AM »

Forget the above theory.. although it may work for upstream.. it doesnt for downstream :(
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