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Author Topic: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL  (Read 145845 times)

VDSL2User

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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2014, 09:17:22 AM »

Thanks for the information and analysis.
I can confirm the modem_stats.log is updating as expected each minute.
I have run the graphs with 1 h and all has worked without a hitch.
As for my current stats and the HG612 I was using, this device is syncing
around 4mbps better on DS than the HG612 with a similar US rate.
The D depth is also similar and is normally between 1125 and 1140 with INP 3 and delay 8ms
The error counts are a little bit less than the HG612 but not much.
I was the first to be connected to the cabinet in Feb this year and in first week I got sync at 73mbps DS / 19mbps US
on fast path but as the cabinet filled up I had crosstalk issues and it has slowly reduced to the current levels.
I noticed when houses next to me went live as the SNRM would drop at an instant by upto 1.2 db and never recover.
I can also see when these modems are restarted with a 5-10 minute display where SNRM jumps up and then returns to
its previous level.
The line is all underground and around 10 years old (age of the estate) and I think I am around 450m from the cabinet
but depending on the actual cable route may be as far as 550m away.
For a short time 3 weeks ago it went back on to fastpath but the line noise/interference returned and it is now interleaved again.
It is very quite most of the day light hours but suffers badly between 6pm and 11pm at night.
I wish BT Openreach would enable vector support as I think this would improve my service quite a bit.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2014, 09:33:26 AM »


I wish BT Openreach would enable vector support as I think this would improve my service quite a bit.


Me too!!! - I think we'll just have to be patient, but I believe Vectoring is definitely on its way. Howsoon, who knows?


Thanks for your detailed & most useful comments above.

I'm now quite tempted to gat a XyXel or Billion to try on my connection now that I know my monitoring programs work.
I have gradually lost over 10 Mbps DS due to xtalk from at best a stable 30 Mbps sync speed on my possibly 1100m line.

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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2014, 10:33:06 AM »

You've convinced me :)
I'm placing an order now.


Let us know how it performs :)

My mouse is hovering over the order button ;)
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 01:05:47 PM »

I have gradually lost over 10 Mbps DS due to xtalk from at best a stable 30 Mbps sync speed on my possibly 1100m line.

Semi-OT but may be of interest.

I've seen an 800m loop with an aggregate bandwidth of 125Mbps using phantom mode (two phonelines) and just under 100Mbps on a 1km loop. The problems past 400m or so are more to do with insertion loss at the upper end of the relevant spectrum and there's a limited amount which can be done without adverse effects on adjacent pairs.

As an aside, if anyone knows any GOOD analogue electronic designers then there's serious demand for them in this area.

Oh and I'd be interested to know if the firmware for the 8800NL has the same "bodge" for Sky authing (MER) which the 8800N has. I could do with a backup router in case this Sky one dies.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2014, 02:12:58 PM »

Authentication options displayed  are:  AUTO   &   PAP  &  CHAP  & MSCHAP
Can't see any ref to SKY or MER
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2014, 04:57:35 PM »

> adsl --version
adsl version 1.0
ADSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6F038j.d24h

   Thanks for trying  the command.  The F in ...F038.. means that the Broadcom chip should be the 63168 (  see http://bcm63xx.sipsolutions.net/AdslPhy  ) that is the same as in the Zyxel VMG8324-B10A.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 07:35:21 AM by les-70 »
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2014, 12:03:33 AM »

Fantastic news  :clap:

> adsl --version
adsl version 1.0
ADSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6F038j.d24h

   Thanks for trying  the command.  The F in ...F038.. means that the Broadcom chip should be the 63168 (  see http://bcm63xx.sipsolutions.net/AdslPhy ) that is the same as in the Zyxel VMG8324-B10A.

Yep.   I entered the Busybox shell to get the cpuinfo to confirm it was a 63168.

Interesting that is version h, so even newer adsl phy. 

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around 4mbps better on DS than the HG612

Thats about the same improvement I got with the Zyxel...  so as suspected its possibly the chipset & adsl phy which is pretty good :)


I really cant understand why Billion have only used a 10/100 switch...  thats the main reason I discounted it a few months back. 
« Last Edit: June 01, 2014, 01:31:27 AM by kitz »
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2014, 04:48:22 PM »

  It is 1X1Gb and and 3X100/10 but your correct that is is a shame.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2014, 07:12:03 PM »

It's not an issue for me, because I only use one port, which connects to an 8-port gigabit switch.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2014, 06:12:15 PM »

  It is 1X1Gb and and 3X100/10 but your correct that is is a shame.

I can't remember the EU standard but this will be for power reasons. All the major ISPs in the EU need to comply with various power standards - hence so do the routers.

If kitz' Zyxel follows the usual Zyxel pattern then it'll be capable of running a couple of VoIP ports (even if there's no sockets) which (IIRC) puts it into the next (EU) bracket up on power consumption. That allows (again IIRC) GigE on the ports.

I keep saying this & I'm not at all sure people believe a word of it but GigE in a typical broadband "hub" (I hate that word for networking reasons) will consume a LOT of power when compared with the xDSL front end & "routing overheads", especially if its the only switch on the network with multiple (in theory) GigE clients.

Thanks to the guy who replied with auth options - much appreciated even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2014, 12:48:29 PM »

@Rizla

Hiya, I just got this from Billion Support when I casually mentioned MER.....

So AOK?

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Hi Jack

Our 8800NL already supports Sky MER.

For a ADSL connection, it should be the standard settings eg PPPOA, VPI=0 VCI=38, enter the PPP username and password in sections provided.

For VDSL (Fibre) I have attached a example screen shot.

Please note, the user will have to extract the current broadband username and password from their current Sky equipment, more info can be found on the Sky userforum or on our forum on the attached link http://www.billion.uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2490

Thanks

Best Regards,
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2014, 02:56:00 PM »

Thanks very much jack21 that looks perfect, will get one ordered later this month.

I just want it as a backup for when the Sky SR102 either dies or Sky bugger up the firmware (as happened on 2504n, still isn't fixed properly). The SR102 is capable enough as long as you don't want to use wireless - I have a Ubiquiti access point so I'm not bothered about it.
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2014, 04:53:22 PM »

  Please can someone report their impressions of the wireless performance of the 8800NL?
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2014, 05:34:33 PM »

Wi-fi impression:

I've just done a quick test on its 'G' performance, comparing it with my favourite wi-fi device, a WGR614. Sorry, no 'N' devices.
With either router in the front right hand corner of the house, downstairs, and a laptop in the rear left hand corner of the house, upstairs..........so max indoor distance:
Running wavemon to each in turn......
8800NL      Signal Quality (at its best alignment) 93%    Signal Strength  around -70db
WGR614   SQ 92%      and  SS around -68db

Signal Quality is remarkably steady for both
Signal Strength varies  by +/- 5db  (approx)

So very little difference observed.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 07:24:38 PM by jack21 »
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Re: BiIlion Bipac 8800NL
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2014, 05:49:32 PM »

  That sounds encouraging  I have used a WGR614G and found on g it was the same as a DG834G and certainly better than an average g device.  I would guess that n would also be fine.
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