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Author Topic: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router  (Read 57025 times)

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Re: Technicolor TG589vn v3 for VDSL2
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2013, 03:35:41 PM »

You're absolutely right Colin. :-[
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Re: Technicolor TG589vn v3 for VDSL2
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 07:21:44 PM »

Im going to merge these threads. ^

Ive not heard anything back from PN about getting one as a test, it all seems to have gone rather quiet as I think they may have given out the few they did have. :/



I am still prepared to start a community pot to purchase one for eric, and if Ive counted right, the proposed pot stands at £25 against £61.37 inc p+p



Alternatively, I could perhaps try something that I dont normally do and approach the company and ask if they are prepared to give one away in return for a review.  Theres a distinct shortage of affordable vdsl2 routers and it could well be advantageous for broadbandbuyer if their link was added as the supplier.  If eric got DSLstats working with it, then Im sure that a lot more VDSL users would look towards a  combined router of this sort rather than having to hack modems bought on ebay.   

I'd need a vdsl2 volunteer though who would be prepared to take the router and write a review, which I would then host on the main site.   This isnt something I myself have time for atm hence why Im passing to a potential volunteer...  and theres no guarantee that broadband buyer would give us one anyhow.   Thoughts?
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2013, 06:50:00 PM »

Kitz,

I'd happily buy one to test, but I am only on ADSL2+ and not VDSL. I expect my services could still be useful in regards to other features, like WiFi, etc. Let me know.
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 10:38:51 AM »

I decided to give in to temptation, and I've bought one. It turned up this morning, and it's now running. DSLstats works with it, using the setup for one of the other Thomson models.

First reactions are good; it's connected at a somewhat higher speed than I got with either the HG612 or the HG622, and there are no obvious problems with the connection. It has the usual awful web interface, and I still haven't found out how to configure the LAN, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

I'm going to have a poke around in the CLI, to see if I can locate any way to get pbParams data (so I can support it on VDSL2).
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2013, 07:49:15 PM »

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First reactions are good; it's connected at a somewhat higher speed than I got with either the HG612 or the HG622, and there are no obvious problems with the connection. It has the usual awful web interface, and I still haven't found out how to configure the LAN, but I'm sure it's there somewhere.

Interesting..  and good news... hopefully you will find the relevant config pages.  Please let us know how you get on.

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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 11:00:10 PM »

Yes, I'll certainly do that. I still haven't worked out how to configure the LAN, but anyway, all the devices on my LAN are working normally.
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2013, 07:45:01 AM »

Yes, both those pages display data, but neither of them has a 'configure' option. But I did find it eventually at Home network --> Interfaces --> Local network.

I realise that this is mainly just unfamiliarity on my part, but I still think that it's an awful and sometimes counter-intuitive interface.
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2013, 11:24:52 AM »

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but neither of them has a 'configure' option

OK, this is maybe where like you say its counter intuitive, in that hyperlinks arent always immediately visible. 

It sometimes looks like the 'configure' option at the top right is greyed out, but it will still let you click on it.   I agree, its very easy to miss unless you know its there.

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Half the battle is familiarity with the GUI.   For example if you want to configure the WLAN, its not immediately apparent..  but the way I do it is

Home network -> Click on the WLAN hyperlink immediately under where it says "Wireless".

The next page shows information about the WLAN and it looks like youve come to a dead end..  but look closely at the top right and "configure" is greyed out..   but click on it anyhow..  and up comes all the config options.

Similar with the LAN

Home network -> Interfaces
From this page, just under 'Interfaces' click on LocalNetwork
This opens the local network information...  if you want to configure your lan...  click the greyed out 'configure' link at the top right.

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The above information is supplied using the TG582n and Im hoping that the TG589n is similar.  If not let me know and I'll see if I can get some direct links for you to try.




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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2013, 12:56:23 PM »

Yes, thanks, that does work. The links you gave me didn't offer the 'configure' link (see snapshot below) and I had to take the extra step of clicking on 'LocalNetwork' at the top.
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2013, 01:19:56 PM »

What firmware version does it use Eric?
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2013, 02:27:33 PM »

This is what the Information page gives, Colin:

Software Release:   10.4.B.B
Software Variant:   AQ
Boot Loader Version:   2.0.8

And the CLI says this:

Flash image: 10.4.11.11.0
Active   SW: ZUNUAQ10.4BB    (10.4.B.B)
Passive  SW: ------------    (--------)
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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2013, 03:14:54 PM »

Thanks Eric.

I thought I recognised some similarities with this slightly earlier v10 release:

Software Release:   10.2.5.2
Software Variant:   EO
Boot Loader Version:   1.0.5
Board Name:   DANT-T

Flash image : 10.2.5.2.0
Build name  : ZX2UEO10.252

They're board-specific images, but if there is any menu navigation you need checked ... just give me a shout by PM.

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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2013, 11:14:11 AM »

Notes on 4 days' use of the TG589vn v3
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Tested on a TalkTalk ADSL2+ connection, medium line length, rather poor quality.

The DSL processing chip is a BCM6368.

1. General performance is excellent. Connection speed is ~300 kbps higher than other comparable modem/routers I've used recently. No issues with stability so far.

2. WiFi performance appears to be at least as good as the separate WAP I normally use, and video streaming is perfectly smooth.

3. LAN performance is as good as you would expect with 10/100 ethernet ports. Gigabit ports would be an improvement, but I don't transfer enough data around my LAN for this to be of any significance to me.

4. In my opinion the GUI interface is awful, and counter-intuitive in places. When I'm installing a new router I like to set everything up offline before connecting it to the telephone line, and Thomson routers make it quite difficult to do that. But in the end you can do most of the things you want to do in the GUI; it can just take a bit of time to work out how to do them.

5. There is a normal telnet interface giving access to the custom Thomson CLI. This has much the same features as other models in the range. There's an unofficial guide to the CLI here: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/download.php?id=514441%E2%80%8E

6. There is an FTP interface which you can log into in the same way as telnet. This gives access to some commands which could be interesting for customisation:

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eric@chaffinch:~$ ftp 192.168.1.254
Connected to 192.168.1.254.
220 Inactivity timer = 120 seconds. Use 'site idle <secs>' to change.
Name (192.168.1.254:eric): Administrator
331 Password required.
Password:
230 OK
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> help
Commands may be abbreviated.  Commands are:

!               dir             mdelete         qc              site
$               disconnect      mdir            sendport        size
account         exit            mget            put             status
append          form            mkdir           pwd             struct
ascii           get             mls             quit            system
bell            glob            mode            quote           sunique
binary          hash            modtime         recv            tenex
bye             help            mput            reget           tick
case            idle            newer           rstatus         trace
cd              image           nmap            rhelp           type
cdup            ipany           nlist           rename          user
chmod           ipv4            ntrans          reset           umask
close           ipv6            open            restart         verbose
cr              lcd             prompt          rmdir           ?
delete          ls              passive         runique
debug           macdef          proxy           send
ftp> ls
200 Connected to 192.168.1.30 port 53673
150 Opening data connection for /bin/ls
drwxr-xr-x   2 0        0               0 Jan  1  2000  tls
drwxr-xr-x   3 0        0               0 Jan  1  2000  osgi
-rw-r--r--   1 0        0               0 Jan  1  2000  osgi.def
-rw-r--r--   1 0        0             200 Sep 13 15:56  phy.conf
-r--r--r--   1 0        0               9 Jan  1  2000  seed.dat
-rwxr-xr-x   1 0        0          106632 Sep 13 15:56  user.ini
-rwxr-xr-x   1 0        0              26 Sep 11 09:22  persistent.cnf
226 Options: -l  : 7 matches total
ftp>

6. DSLstats works with this model in the same way as other Thomson models, except that it reports traffic volumes slightly differently. Other models report bytes; this model reports KB or MB. The next release of DSLstats will have a mod to accommodate this.

7. I've been unable to find a means of getting pbParams data or any other way of automatically determining the band plan in use on VDSL2, but I guess there may be commands which are hidden unless you're actually on a VDSL2 connection. In the meantime I'll be looking at manual means of dealing with this in DSLstats.

8. There's no apparent way to tweak the target SNRM if that's what you want to do.

Overall, I would say that this appears to be a top class modem/router for ADSL2+. There are some limitations in the data which you can obtain for monitoring purposes. I have no information on VDSL2 performance.

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Re: Thomson TG589vn v3 ADSL/VDSL Router
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2013, 11:28:52 AM »

By the way, when you exit from the FTP interface, this is what happens:

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ftp> bye
421 Timeout - try typing a little faster next time.
eric@chaffinch:~$

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