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[UncleUB]

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>>> Meadowhall..Attercliffe and Sheffield Central.

Didnt realise it covered Sheffield Central too without plans for fttc.   Doesnt make sense UB to leave that whole stretch of road..   Theres a large amount of businesses who are going to find themselves with pee-poor connections.   As mentioned above this surely has to be one of the most profitable areas for someone to pick up the tab for.

Its actually just called Sheffield exchange..I added the central bit as its right in the city centre.

But yes its a straight corridor from the M1 to the city centre where 3 exchanges all have no plans to be upgraded to fibre..Attercliffe has around 26000 customers it serves,Sheffield around 24000 and Meadowhall has 11 (eleven) residential  and around  277 business customers.these figures are according to SamKnows exchange search.
Meadowhall only having 11 residential customers !!!! I never knew it was so few.

[kitz]

>> Meadowhall only having 11 residential customers !!!!

According to the exchanges post-code its smack-bang in the middle of Meadowhall, so its possibly an exchange that was specifically built to provide telephony for Meadowhall businesses.   Now its a totally industrial and retail area. I cant recall what was there before.  I do remember seeing it go up though once when whizzing past on the M1.  From this long ago memory (I was only young at the time) and M1 viewpoint there wasnt much else but fields and possibility some sort of colary/steel works building?

It looks like the residential houses behind meadowhall are served by Attercliffe... so theres going to be some really long lines there too.


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Linky to g.maps showing  Meadowhall exchange location, houses behind meadowhall are served by Attercliffe exchange and can only get 512kbps.

[UncleUB]

Meadowhall was built around 1989 and opened Sept 1990 on land that use to be steel works.

[burakkucat]

Consider Uncle's telephone line. It is still owned and maintained by Beattie via her Openreach subsidiary. When he took the VDSL2 based service from his chosen ISP within the Digital Region domain, Openreach were involved to perform the jumpering within the PCP. There was already a pair of tie-cables, from the Digital Region FTTC to the Openreach PCP, in situ.

Looking into my empty food bowl (feed me!) as I do not possess a crystal ball, I suspect that the Digital Region infrastructure will eventually be handed over to Beattie for Openreach to maintain and absorb into its current FTTC deployment and if the Digital Region company does continue it will just be 'back-end shell' for Beattie.

In summary, I expect that Uncle will continue to have a VDSL2 service from his chosen ISP. The only difference being that the carrying infrastructure will be under Beattie's control and ownership. 

b*cat, very hungry, now pads out to the kitchen to find something to eat . . . 

[UncleUB]

Well I hope your predictions are right Mr B-Cat

b*cat, very hungry, now pads out to the kitchen to find something to eat . . .

Just be careful not to overdo the tuna chunks 

[burakkucat]

Just be careful not to overdo the tuna chunks 

I don't like fish!

[UncleUB]

Just be careful not to overdo the tuna chunks 

I don't like fish!

 

I was once addicted to tinned pilchards,I had stop eating them as I was constantly trying to lick my back end. 

[smurfuk]

I thought BT was the other company in the running to manage DR, but they chose a French company as preferred bidder. Then the contract negotiation broke down because they wanted a write off of the existing debt. Well, what a surprise! Why would BT pay too, if they can wait and cherry pick a free asset eventually?

It's all about the economics. We can all argue until the cows come home, and usually do, about the technical feasibility and of course it is; but once you come into the real world the economics have to stack up. BT is probably too big to fail; as for everyone else do they have a long term future? I don't know; and I don't think anyone else does either. It helps if we support them, well with money anyway, but there's no guarantees - and yep I've been there too.

[UncleUB]

A lot of the failure is down to poor advertising.Ask any man in the street if they know BT and then ask them if they know Digital region or indeed any of the isp's who are on DR.Even people around here haven't heard of DR and are still plodding on getting 1.5mb with BT.

People are always wary of companies they haven't heard of.Tbh I had read about DR well before my area was enabled and when it was I was I wasn't sure as I had never heard of the isp's involved with it..Origin Broadband,Little Big One and Ask4.
I did as much research as possible and the main reason I chose origin was they were the only company to offer a lower/cheaper package @ £17.50 a month for a 24/10 connection as opposed to £25 a month for a 40/10 connection. 24mb is ample for my needs.
I do hope Origin can continue offering me a fibre connection because the are a decent small company who are trying to expand.

[oddlegs]

>>> Meadowhall..Attercliffe and Sheffield Central.

Didnt realise it covered Sheffield Central too without plans for fttc.   Doesnt make sense UB to leave that whole stretch of road..   Theres a large amount of businesses who are going to find themselves with pee-poor connections. 

The corridor leading into Sheffield city centre used to comprise mainly steelworks at the M1 end and poor quality housing further in.
This was almost all demolished many years ago and has been replaced by retail parks and many large office and warehouse developments.
This took place before the advent of FTTC and the businesses concerned will be connected by expensive leased circuits.
It seems to be the perceived wisdom here in Sheffield that Attercliffe and Sheffield exchanges will never be enabled for FTTC while BT can keep raking in the leased line profits.
The DR debacle was doomed from the start in my opinion because our local councils here in The Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire
couldn't  organise the  proverbial in a brewery. It was a vanity project from the start and taking on a monopoly such as BT was bound to end in failure.
The network never did get anywhere near my home but the nearest district it got to me resulted in the DR installations going in AFTER the BT equipment was in place.
Of course non of the leading ISP providers would touch it with a bargepole for fear of upsetting BT and the small ISP's they got on board couldn't compete on price or advertising clout.
I think it will be another white elephant like the World Student Games which the people of Sheffield will still be paying for when I'm playing my harp.

Oddlegs

[UncleUB]

Interesting comparison with how many residential properties and how many non residential properties feed off Attercliffe exchange

23,667 residential
1,731 non residential

Also bear in mind some parts of that area can get Virgin cable,my old home could,in fact we had cable as far back as 1994.

[smurfuk]

A lot of the failure is down to poor advertising.Ask any man in the street if they know BT and then ask them if they know Digital region or indeed any of the isp's who are on DR.Even people around here haven't heard of DR

Interesting , the one thing the most local authorities are good at is blowing their own trumpet what with the politicians' eye for (any) publicity, council-published freesheets and all that. Now, if it was that no-one trusts anything with "Council" written on it, I could understand . . .

[kitz]

Ive heard this several times before..  basically their 'marketing budget' was zero and a huge portion of people never even knew they could get fibre.

There was a picture knocking around at one point with a BT cab and a DR cab practically side by side.  irrc the DR cab was quite a lot bigger, but there was nothing to indicate what it was.   The smaller BT cab had the usual big splash banner saying BT fibre is in your area.

[UncleUB]

Ive heard this several times before..  basically their 'marketing budget' was zero and a huge portion of people never even knew they could get fibre.

There was a picture knocking around at one point with a BT cab and a DR cab practically side by side.  irrc the DR cab was quite a lot bigger, but there was nothing to indicate what it was.   The smaller BT cab had the usual big splash banner saying BT fibre is in your area.

That is correct Kitz,to highlight what you have said look at the photo that a member posted on the DR forum(scroll down to post #24)

http://drlforum.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=671&page=3

[oddlegs]

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There was a picture knocking around at one point with a BT cab and a DR cab practically side by side.  irrc the DR cab was quite a lot bigger, but there was nothing to indicate what it was. 

There's a very big DR cabinet just off the main road at Crookes which seems to have enough cooling fan capacity to keep a nuclear reactor cool. How the people who live nearby cope I don't know.
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't have it's own isobars on the Look North weather chart. 
It appears to me that BT, like their forebears Post Office Telephones, have always been very conservative in their choice of equipment and way of doing things.
If the fiber infrastructure and equipment isn't compatible with the strict BT specifications then I personally can't see them wanting to take the DR system on.
As I've previously posted, BT have installed fiber according to strictly commercial criteria and I wouldn't think they would want to provide FTTC services where they already supply expensive leased-line products.

oldgeezer.