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waltergmw

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Mild relief ?
« on: October 02, 2012, 09:48:58 AM »

Mild relief is probably still too strong a description yet for my observations on reading the only document, so far, showing a degree of realism produced by an MEP, rather than a UK Parliamentarian.

http://www.jameselles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/High-Speed-Broadband-for-all-of-Britain-6.9.2012.pdf

However it and the departure of two prominent folk, Robert Ling and Mike Kiely, from BDUK might just signal a rethink is under way.

http://br0kent3l3ph0n3.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/dcms-sacks-bduk-whistleblower-over-bt-nga-price-leak/

Any change would be encouraging to escape from Jeremy in Wonderland’s previous “fastest speeds in Europe”.

We really must call a halt to the current significant waste of public funds (AKA Taxpayers money) on “One of the biggest mistakes humanity has made” ** which cannot possibly achieve the goals we all require, despite all the window dressing we observe.

** Quote from the contribution to the recent House of Lords Select Committee on
Communications by Dr Peter Cochrane OBE, formerly BT’s Chief Technical Officer.
See also:- http://www.slideshare.net/PeterCochrane/why-ftth-fibre-to-the-home
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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 11:59:12 AM »

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The regulatory framework
We need to disabuse ourselves of the idea that the rollout of 4G mobile services will miraculously
eliminate our mobile broadband coverage divide, let alone our fixed coverage divide. The latest
statement from Ofcom regarding the 4G mobile spectrum auctions gives no confidence that the
regulator is imposing conditions on 4G licence-holders sufficient to drive mobile 4G investment with
acceptable performance in areas where there is little or no coverage today.

Agreed - Although it may provide some solution, In reality just how fast will 4G be?
Based on the current 3G service - Im fine if Im at home and on a good day can get around 2-2.5Mbps.  Yet just a mile or so down the road and its painfully slow, sometimes I cant even get a signal at all and I stand in the garden frantically waving my phone around trying to pick up a signal despite there being no hills/tall buildings or anything other than houses in line of sight.

Data allowances are usually small and can be costly.





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The need for political authority
It is in nobody’s interest to force fixed or mobile operators to invest in loss-making operations.
Regulatory measures can only redress to a certain degree the economic risk/reward hurdles which
today deter would-be investors in both fixed and mobile broadband infrastructures from building
out beyond the UK’s densely populated, high-value markets.
The necessary scale of this funding, together with the policy framework, objectives and conditions
governing its availability, can only be determined as part of a coherent nation-wide UK broadband
policy strategy also taking full account of economic realities and regulatory choices. This is why the
government must urgently reassert its authority over UK broadband policy.

Summed up very nicely in the fact that its a loss making venture hence why no-one wants to really tackle the issue.   
The amount of investment required would be huge and knowing that theres little chance of recovering such a huge layout of funds.
I dont foresee any PLC's shareholders agreeing to something which could probably/possibly ruin the financial stability of the company.   Most of them understandably just cherry pick the profitable areas.  In fairness to BT at least they do at least try and balance some of the profitable areas against the not so much so. 

The only way this could be done is by using public funding.  However, does the UK economy have available funds to take on a public venture such as this.   Its scares me how many previous public services -such as parts of the NHS- are being shipped out to private services as it is :(


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The 4G network delivered an average download speed of 4.1Mbit/sec. (Upload) 4G was able to move 41Kbit/sec.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9201098/3G_vs._4G_Real_world_speed_tests?taxonomyId=166&pageNumber=2

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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 04:56:40 PM »

@ Kitz,

Just to add a bit more background data, I did a small set of WiBE 3G field trials through the Tillingbourne valley in Albury Surrey.
The village has quite high (for Surrey !) hills with a single mast on one ridge.

http://www.deltenna.com/products/wibe.aspx

I eagerly await their new WiBE-HS21 Pro for further trials.
Watch out for "Walter's wheelbarrow" complete with inverter !

Kind regards,
Walter

PS Sorry I cant publish the whole document as it includes a Geographia copyright map.
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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 06:52:11 PM »

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Very near to a basestation, where the 3G signal is
strong, the WiBE will show similar data throughputs to
any other device. Further away, it will start to show
better data throughputs, ranging from 10% to 50%.
Further still, other devices will not even connect and
the WiBE will continue to provide good throughput.

Sounds promising and at least an improvement.
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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 11:08:21 PM »

@ Kitz,

Here's just one example from deep in the hills with otherwise only dial-up possible, after attempting twice to get an ADSL service.
Note also BT Wholesale's optimism !

Kind regards,
Walter
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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 12:10:21 AM »

That checker result seems odd.   

Estimated adsl2+ speed = between 1 to 3.5 Mbps.
Estimated FTTC speed = 100Kbps.

Are there no cabs nearby?
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Re: Mild relief ?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 09:30:23 AM »

@ Kitz,

Welcome to the world of lexicographers and weasels !

I believe BT Wholesale think they are obliged to offer a VDSL service on every line where there is a FTTC, whereas BT retail and all CPs can and do refuse, although at different levels.

It's worth looking closely at all the words on the BT W speed check result. Perhaps I might start another topic in the VDSL area if I have time after dealing with two problems today.

Kind regards,
Walter

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