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burakkucat

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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2012, 08:49:35 PM »

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No I haven't. How would I go about doing that - sorry if that sounds stupid.

Why, no, it doesn't sound stupid. Not everyone has an inventive sort of mind.

Going back to your question "is there any noise here that could be coming from my own home, or is it mostly RFI?", the only way to answer it is by performing the experiment of "turning off" your home. So that is the first step -- use the main switch at your consumer unit so that everything is off.

Second step is the consideration of powering a computer. Assuming you own or can borrow a laptop system, with its battery fully charged, then that can be ticked off.

The third step is a little more difficult. You will need a power source for the HG612. So borrow a 12 V car battery. Hunt around for an old defective PSU from a modem/router whose plug will fit into the HG612's socket. Cut off the plug and wire (putting the old PSU out for electrical/electronics recycling). Ensure that you connect the wires to the car battery the "right way round" so the the outer connection at the plug is the negative and the central receptacle is positive. Connect up the HG612 and make your measurements.

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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2012, 08:59:24 PM »

.............. and purchase a flipping long DSL lead, to reach from the VDSL/ADSL filter to your new 'study'. ;) ;D
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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2012, 10:09:27 PM »

I can see that Black Sheep dost jest -- but for those who do not see, when I say borrow a car battery I intend for the battery to be removed from the car and carried indoors!  ::)
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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2012, 07:26:25 AM »

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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2012, 09:56:11 PM »

 :lol:  :lol: :).

Thank you everyone for your help.
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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2012, 09:42:14 PM »

FEC errors can be caused by many different things, line faults, RF interference, rein, crosstalk and of course the profile your service provider or in the case of BT, DLM decides to assign. One of the things not mentioned in this forum yet is cross talk, cross talk is the transfer of unwanted signal energy from one circuit to another, adsl and other digital circuits give off a lot more cross talk (or transferred signal energy) than analogue services such as POTS (plain old telephony service). Now that more and more people are signing up for adsl then the crosstalk in Openreach cables is increasing like you wouldn't believe, this is not deemed as a fault! . I have seen circuits synching at 12meg eventually run down to 7.5meg, what was the fault? there was no fault! just that the available signal received at the router was being partially swamped by somebody else's adsl signal. Basically if you are the only digital circuit in a 20 pair cable feeding a block of flats then HOORAH you should be ok, but when the other 19 flats get converted to adsl then you WILL be affected, your SNR will drop and FEC errors will increase as your router tries to determine between the signals it receives!

don't worry when FTTP(fibre to the premises) arrives there  will be no more attenuation, no more rein, no more noise and no more crosstalk!
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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2012, 12:09:20 PM »

Strangely, some of the interference seems to have disappeared today. Attached is a QLN graph showing the improvement.
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Re: Possible Interference?
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2012, 07:03:00 PM »

Just a quick note here, if you look toward the bottom of this page:

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/btsockets.htm

Look at the RF2 and RF3

The rf 2 is installed to try and filter out any noise outside that of the intended phone conversation.
This could be radio interference such as local/national radio, taxi ranks, offshore comm's etc

Then along came DSL. problem is the filter adds about 43db loss to the dsl signal so the RF2 either severly slows down your connection. Or if you're about 2.7km or futher on a 0.5 copper line from the exchange , no sync at all (unless theres corrosion in the rf2 then some dsl can slip through)

The RF3 was brought out to do the same job as the RF2 over the voice frequencies, but allowing the DSL signal to go through.

The small black cylindrical attenuators of which you see 2 off in the RF2 is the nearly same component in the newer faceplates, just the one on the bell wire. It utilises the problem it caused on either leg for letting a dsl signal get through to obscuring most noise picked up by the bell wire from being heard by the DSL signal.

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