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Author Topic: What the HEC ..... ?!?!?  (Read 2746 times)

hake

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What the HEC ..... ?!?!?
« on: May 15, 2012, 06:36:10 PM »

I see HEC errors in my router's information.  Unfortunately there is no information about what number of multiple bit errors, i.e. uncorrectable, there are so I have no idea how much HEC errors are hurting my downstream performance (there are no upstream HEC errors by the way).  CRC errors are few.
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Re: What the HEC ..... ?!?!?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 06:47:46 PM »

If you were asking about FECs, then I would refer you to Craggy Island;)

As for HECs, I believe that figure just shows the number ATM Cell Headers that have been corrected. Multiple bit errors in the header cause it to be discarded and a request for a retransmission is made. Kitz has a brief write up on the topic.

Ideally, one would like to see zero HECs (and FECs, etc) recorded, as they are indicative of errors that have been corrected.
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Re: What the HEC ..... ?!?!?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 08:16:15 PM »

Ideally, one would like to see zero HECs (and FECs, etc) recorded, as they are indicative of errors that have been corrected.

But, you shouldn't really expect that because with computers, it is impossible not to get errors. The important thing, is to keep them to a minimum :).
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Re: What the HEC ..... ?!?!?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 10:22:47 PM »

If theres only a few HEC's then I wouldnt be too concerned...  we'd need to see full stats to get a more overall picture.

>> there is no information about what number of multiple bit errors, i.e. uncorrectable, there are


HEC is a basic type of CRC error check which is performed on the ATM cell.  HEC is capable of detecting multiple bit errors, but can only correct errors where a single bit is missing. 
The figures usually reported by the router are multiple bit errors that have been detected but unable to be reconstructed from the (simple) checksum.   Therefore any HECs recorded would in theory be uncorrected multiple bit errors.   
Its similar to CRC count in that an error has been detected but information has been re-requested. 

A lot of multiple bit errors need the likes of FEC/Interleaving.  The FEC count is one that usually shows a corrected count (rather than uncorrected)..  which is why we are often unconcerned about FECs

If you were getting a lot of HECs and becoming a problem, I would also (normally) expect there to be a fair amount of CRC errors.  Some routers may display CRC errors as the term RS Uncorrectable Errors.

You dont mention the number of errors recorded against HEC..  but something worth mentioning is that when on maxdsl and a rock steady line is that I would _always_ rack up a minimum of 8/16 HECs during the sync up phase and this number would stay like that for ages perhaps only slightly increasing if I got any CRC's.
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