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The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« on: April 30, 2012, 09:06:27 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176

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File-sharing site The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK internet service providers, the High Court has ruled.  The Swedish website hosts links to download mostly pirated free music and video.

Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media must all prevent their users from accessing the site.

"Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) said.

A sixth ISP, BT, requested "a few more weeks" to consider their position on blocking the site.

BPI's chief executive Geoff Taylor said: "The High Court has confirmed that The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale.


Hmmmmmmmm..  I would have thought that the BPI was big enough to go after these sites themselves...  not get ISPs to totally block content to certain sites on their behalf.
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 09:22:40 PM »

Strikes me that its the thin end of the wedge.  First it was Newzbin, now TPB.  Not that its at all difficult to circumvent a DNS block.

Rather than blatant censorship, perhaps the BPI etc should be looking at why people use these sites and adjusting their business models accordingly.  I'm not a huge apple fan by any means but their app store and itunes models both work well. 

I don't claim to have an answer by any means, but perhaps some sort of 'PC licencing' might be the way to go.  Everybody pays a tv licence and can then consume as much TV content as they wish, from whatever source they wish, even though the licence only goes to Aunty Beeb.  Maybe not even licence the PC, but the actual router. Of course there would be an outcry initially, but how many people pay a tv licence and then pay again for sky ??

Or, radically, just stop selling CD's and DVD's.  Put everything on line and available to buy for micro payments per track.  I'm sure there are a lot of other things that the 'industry' could do rather than go to court and get a blocking order that won't affect anyone that knows what a 'hosts' file is.

I could rant about this for ages actually, because it really does make my blood boil, but as I am up very early for work, I'll shut up now..........It is another nail in the coffin however, and another step nearer to yet more censorship I feel.   :no: >:(
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 09:47:12 AM »

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First it was films, apps, pron and music, what next?
« Last Edit: May 01, 2012, 09:51:39 AM by BritBrat »
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 04:40:57 AM »

TalkTalk customers who try to visit http://www.piratebay.se now find their browsers land here:



TalkTalk is filtering 80/tcp connection attempts to the /24 IP block assigned to thepiratebay.se rather than filtering on DNS queries for that hostname.

(P.S. Note the cookie embedded in the URL string - that is passed to the BPI :o)

Code: [Select]
$ host thepiratebay.se

thepiratebay.se has address 194.71.107.15
thepiratebay.se has IPv6 address 2002:c247:6b96::1
thepiratebay.se mail is handled by 10 mx.thepiratebay.se.

Code: [Select]
$ whois 194.71.107.15

[Querying whois.ripe.net]
[whois.ripe.net]
% Information related to '194.71.107.0 - 194.71.107.255'
inetnum:        194.71.107.0 - 194.71.107.255
netname:        THEPIEATEBAY-NET  <---- The fightback of all the ate pies?!
descr:          The Pirate Bay
country:        DE
admin-c:        RL4048-RIPE [...]
mnt-by:         MNT-RESERVELLA
mnt-routes:     MNT-STN
source:         RIPE # Filtered
person:         Reservella LTD
address:        P.O. Box 73852
phone:          +35738743131
nic-hdl:        RL4048-RIPE
mnt-by:         MNT-RESERVELLA  [...]

Code: [Select]
$ telnet 194.71.107.15 80

GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: thepiratebay.se
User-Agent: BigBrotherBeezlebub/1.0

HTTP/1.1 302 Found
Location: http://www.siteblocked.org/piratebay.html?
              accessurl=dGhlcGlyYXRlYmF5LnNl&urlclassname=cGlyYXRlIGJheQ==

Connection closed by foreign host.

Code: [Select]
$ host www.siteblocked.org
www.siteblocked.org has address 212.74.99.24

Code: [Select]
$ whois siteblocked.org

Domain ID:D165643567-LROR
Domain Name:SITEBLOCKED.ORG
Created On:24-May-2012 09:57:12 UTC
Expiration Date:24-May-2013 09:57:12 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:ASCIO Technologies, Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR) [...]
Registrant ID:AT755494237771
Registrant Name:DOMAIN ADMIN
Registrant Organization:TalkTalk Communications Limited
Registrant Street1:STANFORD HOUSE
Registrant Street2:GARRETT FIELD [...]
Registrant City:BIRCHWOOD
Registrant State/Province:WARRINGTON
Registrant Postal Code:WA3 7BH [...]
Registrant Phone:+44.1612222000 [...]
Registrant Email:domains@OPALTELECOM.NET [...]
Name Server:DS0.OPALTELECOM.NET [...]

Code: [Select]
$ telnet www.siteblocked.org 80

GET /piratebay.html HTTP/1.0
Host: www.siteblocked.org
User-Agent: JesusLovesBitTorrent/1.0

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:08:10 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS)
Last-Modified: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:54:32 GMT
ETag: "60091-a6-4c11abbdd5e00" [...]

<html> <head> </head> <body oncontextmenu="return false;">
<A href="http://www.bpi.co.uk">
   <IMG SRC="piratebay-4.jpg" ALIGN=MIDDLE  border="0">
</A>
</body> </html>

cheers, a
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 11:25:25 AM »

Interesting watching the big ISPs response to the court decision :

BT - haven't done anything, have been granted more time by the court to implement a solution;
TalkTalk - full-on overkill as asbokid has shown;
Sky - minimal effort, complies with the letter of the court decision and no more than that;
Virgin - went for it like a rat up a drainpipe, anything to reduce load on their creaking core network;
O2/Be - appear to have used the IWF proxy for blocking which will more than likely end in tears, especially with the new "converged network"*

*The new network appears to be aimed more at 4G backhaul/renting out transit than anything else - oh and a large section of the rationale is that Telefonica are out of IPv4 address space, hence the reallocation of space. Also worth pointing out that there is a significant risk of Telefonica going bust within the next 24 months. They are rated one level above "junk bonds"; their core market has collapsed; they can't borrow from ANYONE; they received the highest price-fixing fine in EU history recently and they're having to sell assets everywhere just to stay afloat. One to avoid for 12 month contracts unless you're totally delusional.
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 07:03:05 PM »

However using TT I can still access piratebay no problem using an anonymous proxy  :lol: :lol: so much for the TT solution!

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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 07:22:01 PM »

Just my thoughts on this (almost weekly) silliness -

Would I be right in thinking that somewhere the BPI has an online 'resource' which permits anyone to access it's content by way of a website called The Pirate Bay - if that is the case what is stopping the BPI preventing access to that resource via security measures, or alternatively demand a sensible payment for access to the content. If someone was to 'break in' to any of my systems (they may have done already, of course) surely the blame for that lies with me for not securing my network.

Or am I missing something here ?

It does make you wonder why people want to use sites such as TPB, I wonder why we pay so much for CDs/DVDs and BluRays in this country - perhaps by dropping the prices a little people would not need to use TPB and it's ilk.

And that's that !!!


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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 08:45:27 PM »

from the above link I get a page which states

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The page you're looking for has been blocked.

We're complying with a court order that means access to this website has
to be blocked to protect against copyright infringement.

Didn't take me 2 mins to be able to access it.... Not via proxy either.
Not saying any more other than I believe the BPI is big enough to fight its own battles rather than making the ISPs responsible.


>>>> O2/Be - appear to have used the IWF proxy for blocking which will more than likely end in tears, especially with the new "converged network"*

Am I missing something?.... I thought a lot of ISPs use cleanfeed/IWF.

I have no problem with IWF blacklists - especially use for child porn sites... And although I realise it's not going to stop those paedos determined to do so... It does put a stop to the more shall I say casual or curiuos surfers.

What I don't like is the thought that legislation could be taken to an extreme censorship of huge portions of the internet like what is the case in china.



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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 08:50:36 PM »

>>>>>  If someone was to 'break in' to any of my systems (they may have done already, of course) surely the blame for that lies with me for not securing my network.

Talking of which didnt Anonymous take down the Virgin media website in retaliation for them blocking pirate bay.
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 07:47:59 AM »

Be's IWF proxy has historically been "enthusiastic" about blocking shared hosting :)

Lost count of the number of threads there have been about it screwing up access to sites hosted on the same IP address as the "child porn". I know they put in another proxy late last year but that didn't seem to improve anything apart from not being quite as disastrous for Rapidshare.

My gripe with the IWF is that ISPs are not permitted* to know what is blocked - the filter list is loaded remotely and the IWF is basically the govt and a few ex-coppers. There is little or no accountability and almost no way of appealing. It could be (and probably is) blocking all sorts of stuff the govt considers "undesirable". Its a true New Labour creation.

*unless you jump through the hoops to get someone "cleared" to know what is in the filter, even then it is a criminal offence for that person to disclose any information regarding the filter list contents. They cannot, for example, tell their boss whether a problem is being caused by the filter list.
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 01:22:20 AM »

lol...  and this is what I imagine will happen again and again...  because of the BPI, the ISPs will be doing the hard work chasing and blocking again.

Game of cat and mouse anyone?
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 01:38:30 AM »

Who knows, maybe eventually the courts will decide to stop being used by the BPI and any other anti piracy brigade organisation and tell 'them' to get their own house in order.

I haven't tried the new site yet but it will not be a surprise if there are no torrents to download but just magnet links.
Actually there was a previous link, but that got locked quite quickly.
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Re: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 10:49:33 PM »

Install Opera browser and turn on turbo, put TPB or Newzsbin in address bar and connect.

Simples,  but you cant download NZB's and not tried torrents.
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