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Author Topic: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.  (Read 18369 times)

UncleUB

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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 09:13:47 AM »

Hi Mike  :)

As you mentioned your daughter will be using the camera for Macro and wildlife photography...whatever you decide make sure it has a viewfinder.

Its very hard in sunlight to see your shot just through an LCD screen.When I bought my Panasonic Lumix I thought there is no need for a viewfinder as the camera has a lovely big LCD screen......wrong!!

I now have my Sony A200 which I am very happy with,but I still use my Lumix when I don't want to carry a lot of kit about.

Also remember with a DSLR the lenses are interchageable(they aren't on a bridging camera).So you can buy specialist lenses like macro and zoom ones etc.

Go the extra mile and get a DSLR,you won't regret it in the long term(that of course is just my opinion) :)
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 10:18:04 AM »

I agree with unkyUb that the DSLR is the way to go if your budget allows.
Much better quality of lens compared to bridge or compacts........the down side of course is that the standard lens that comes with the camera body is fine for general work, but if you are serious about macro/wildlife stuff then further lenses need to be bought....and they don't come cheaply... :(

If your budget will allow only a bridge, two things to consider :-

1) Do not be seduced by super zoom lenses with a vast focal length range. Tempting, I know t have something like 28mm to 400mm in one lens........but the engineering of such a beast means making compromises on quality.
Such lenses will suffer badly from barrel and pincushion distortions, flair, loss of contrast, and a softening of acuity.
These problems may not worry the average snapper too much, but you say that your daughter is taking an imaging course where, presumably, quality of image will be important.

Also, unkyUb makes a very valid point.....these super zooms when extended to their max. can be very long, unwieldy things, and the whole thing very front heavy.....not so easy to balance or hold steady.

2) Do not be seduced by huge pixel counts. A lot of these bridge cameras have small, half sized sensors.........and lots of pixels on a small sensor means small pixels.......with the resultant loss of image quality in terms of definition and colour rendition.
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 06:37:00 PM »

Knowing that you're a practical man, Michael, how about this option: http://carynorton.com/legotron-mark-i
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 08:46:15 PM »

Knowing that you're a practical man, Michael, how about this option: http://carynorton.com/legotron-mark-i

 Nice stuff :)

But I do think that use of a manufactured lens is cheating.  I actually sent away for the plans, and constructed one of the following, when I was about 12... and it actually worked, at least to some extent (click on the middle photo, 'shame the text appears incomplete).

http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/mmplans/mmplans.html

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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2011, 12:40:30 AM »

I agree with unkyUb that the DSLR is the way to go if your budget allows.
Much better quality of lens compared to bridge or compacts........the down side of course is that the standard lens that comes with the camera body is fine for general work, but if you are serious about macro/wildlife stuff then further lenses need to be bought....and they don't come cheaply... :(


I think we are going for a DSLR   ;)   

Can anyone recommend any more good on line camera suppliers.

You say about the lens, If say we got a 'Nikon' (or one of the other big names) the lens from older Nikon 35mm film camera's should fit ?
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Knowing that you're a practical man, Michael, how about this option: http://carynorton.com/legotron-mark-i


Reminds me of the 'Pin hole' camera's I used to make and with a good free supply on photographic paper from my Brother (who has photographed the Queen and royal family  ;D) place in the back of the box, I made some of my first photo's.

Knowing that you're a practical man, Michael, how about this option: http://carynorton.com/legotron-mark-i

 Nice stuff :)

But I do think that use of a manufactured lens is cheating.  I actually sent away for the plans, and constructed one of the following, when I was about 12... and it actually worked, at least to some extent (click on the middle photo, 'shame the text appears incomplete).

http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/mmplans/mmplans.html


I still have my Meccano  :)



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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2011, 07:08:31 AM »

>>>  If say we got a 'Nikon' (or one of the other big names) the lens from older Nikon 35mm film camera's should fit <<<

For Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony the answer to that is "No".....not now. In the early days of DSLR, yes but now the lens mounts are different.

The only marque which will allow all of it's 35mm SLR lenses from the 1970s till now to couple to all it's 35mm DSLRs is Pentax.
I have Pentax camera bodies and quite happily use old lenses on them.

However.....

1) By doing this you will/may lose some functionality. eg old manual focus lenses will still need to be focused manually....you may lose anything in the way of auto exposure modes and have to determine exposure manually.

2) Older lenses designed for film camers have a different construction to those built for DSLRs. The lens element clusters are set further from the film plane and thus from  the sensor, and that sensor is of a size different to a frame of film.
When combined, these two factors result in the image hitting the sensor being of a different magnification when compared with using a digital lens.......an increase in magnification by a factor of 1.5.  So, as an example, when using a 50mm film lens on a digital body, the lens will act as though it is a 75mm..........and a 400mm film lense will act as a 600mm and so on.
This is fine for wildlife photography...suddenly you mdest 400mm lens is a whopping 600mm lens and you can really pull in those birds and beasties. But....for landscapes etc., you have lost the wide angle aspects of the lens.
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UncleUB

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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2011, 07:24:42 AM »

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I think we are going for a DSLR     

Can anyone recommend any more good on line camera suppliers.

www.warehouseexpress.com

www.parkcameras.co.uk

http://www.abc-digital-cameras.co.uk/

www.jacobsdigital.co.uk

www.jessops.com.

Both Jessops and Jacobs have stores on the high street(you might want to go and get a feel for different cameras.)
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2011, 09:43:40 AM »

Mike, one more thing I'd toss into this thread is the following news item, you may already be aware...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15534614

I posted a different thread last week, pointing out that the doom and gloom had emphatically come true for disks, the price of a disk I purchased doubling in a few weeks.  I've not heard of it affecting cameras yet but if you plan to buy in the near future then it may be wise to keep an eye out for the start of any price surges, and also to keep an eye on stock levels. 

- 7LM
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2011, 10:53:36 PM »

Thanks TD for lens info, what a pity I did not know about that a few weeks ago when a chap on freecycle gave away a old Pentax body and several lens  :'(.
also thanks for the other links uncleUB,. I am going into Derby tomorrow so hope to look at a few camera's.
and thanks for the heads up 7LM.

Edit.. Do the camera's come with memory cards and batteries ?, and would you upgrade them to something better ?.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2011, 10:57:45 PM by tickmike »
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 06:37:53 AM »

Oh dear.........pity sbout the Pentax.. ;D

Most DSLRs now come with their own built in rechargeable lithium ion battery, and a charging dock or similar. Best stick to the marque unit.

Most do not come with a memory card....but look around and you can find retailers who will throw one in as part of the deal. Be aware that all DSLRs have a limit to the memory card capacity that they can handle.......most will accept the largest available cards but some budget ones wont....so read the camera spec. to determine which sized cards to buy.

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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 07:04:03 AM »

Sony cameras are very good, and the lenses are top quality......( both are based on the old Minolta brand which always had a top line reputation )

That kit will not disappoint.

I have not used Sony stuff, but unkyUb has and will no doubt have comments to make. Have a look through unkyUb's photos on this forum and note the quality of his lenses...sharp, contrasty and with great resolving ability. Lovely.
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2011, 09:05:10 AM »

Very nice Mike.

As you know(and TD has mentioned) I have the Sony A200.I bought it Boxing day 2008.Mine is the twin lens version(it has the extra zoom lens)I paid £352 and also got 330 cash back from Sony.

The quality and build of the camera is excellent and very easy to use.

A couple of reviews of the a35

http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/sony-alpha-slt-a35/4505-6501_7-34830502.html
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/sony-alpha-a35-slt---dslr-review-17512
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2011, 10:22:08 PM »

I got a good deal with a bag and memory card included with the camera  ;) and the Sony £30 off.
Had a play tonight while my daughter was out now I want one  ;D.
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Re: Idea's For A Digital SLR Camera.
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 10:34:58 PM »

Have fun :)
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