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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: jid on May 30, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
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Hi Guys,
I am finally getting round to rewiring the old extension cabling.
The carpets have been taken up in the hallway downstairs so I can finally take a look at the wiring - and theres a carpet gripper right through it and a gash out of the cable in another part.
I am therefore going to replace this with new cable.
I have looked in the Master Socket as I needed to remove an extension no longer in use, and noticed the "clamps" that hold the wire in place are becoming increasingly difficult to get the grip onto the wires using the krone tool.
Who do I need to contact to get an NTE5 fitted? Is it BT or Tiscali (line rental provider) who I will need to contact?
Cheers
Jamie
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So long as you have enough wire length I would just do it myself.
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Hi
quote From Britbrat : So long as you have enough wire length I would just do it myself. only is adding to existing master ,not replacing it .
quote You are NOT allowed to replace any old style master sockets with an NTE5 socket yourself,
Read more: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm#ixzz0pRNRlApD
Regards Jeff
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I know you are not allowed but I would do it.
I would get a BT NTE box though first, ask a local BT engineer for one and give him a drink or even ask if he could fit it when off duty.
I would only go through BT if I had a line fault.
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Just hope no-one rings your number whilst you have your fingers in the bare wires. It's not lethal but you might hit something with the shock.
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I think I have had bigger shocks than that would give :)
Try holding a spark plug lead while turning engine over, now that is a hair raiser.
Or charge up a capacitor and touch it.
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Should I contact my provider and ask how much they charge?
The idea of doing it myself sounds dodgy as I know its against BTs terms to do it yourself?
Also, where exactly am I going to find a BT engineer? I don't know anyone who is one?
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The trouble is it may cost you a lot of money.
And after you have phoned up to ask I would not install one myself then.
It is only two wires and so long as you note where they go (TAKE A PICTURE/MARK THEM) it is easy, just do not touch them together and it will be fine.
The other way is just to run off the BT box to your own NTE and from that to extensions, that is allowed and legal.
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Hi BritBrat,
The problem I have is getting hold of an NTE5 with the Openreach branding. I know you can get hold of the Unbranded NTE5s all over the place but if I then had to have BT out to fix a fault, how would I explain the unbranded NTE5? They're bound to notice...
I had an engineer out a year ago for a fault and asked him to fit a new NTE5 and he said no it isn't need !!!! The IDC terminals are knackered and come loose often!
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They do have them on Ebay sometimes but last time I looked I could not find any.
This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BT-NTE5-Master-phone-socket-/110539664415?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Phones_PhoneLeads_RL&hash=item19bcad6c1f) may be one but I would ask the seller first to make sure.
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Did you mean by doing this?
http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/nte5.htm
That seems like a possible viable option and would aid in diagnostics...
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I've done all 3 Britbrat. As well as mains shocks. I do have curly hair mind. :lol:
@jid: if you are not confident then don't do it yourself. If you have one of those little plastic things on the wall well they did get a bit damp inside sometimes. Unfortunately it is a chargeable job these days so you would be in the hands of the OR engineer. If he had a spare on in the back of his van he may just fit it, especially if a pot tea and a bacon butty were on hand. ;)
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I've done all 3 Britbrat. As well as mains shocks. I do have curly hair mind. :lol:
@jid: if you are not confident then don't do it yourself. If you have one of those little plastic things on the wall well they did get a bit damp inside sometimes. Unfortunately it is a chargeable job these days so you would be in the hands of the OR engineer. If he had a spare on in the back of his van he may just fit it, especially if a pot tea and a bacon butty were on hand. ;)
I'd be ok to fit an NTE5 as a side socket, I could live with that, as of course I am not tampering with BTs precious down wires.
What's your view on connecting an NTE5 to the existing old Master?
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Did you mean by doing this?
http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/nte5.htm
That seems like a possible viable option and would aid in diagnostics...
Yes that is what I meant.
But if you use a master socket you would have to cut out the components to make it a extension socket.
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Should I contact my provider and ask how much they charge?
The idea of doing it myself sounds dodgy as I know its against BTs terms to do it yourself?
Also, where exactly am I going to find a BT engineer? I don't know anyone who is one?
I think the charge is about £199.00 inc. vat which is a bit steep. The other thing to bear in mind is that if the router is not currently by the master socket you will need to run a separate extension wire to the router as the new socket does not transmit the dsl signal via the phone extension jack or terminals.
Lou
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To be honest, £199 for a chunk of plastic is a bit rediculous...
No wonder they don't want people fitting them themselves :no:
I may consider adding my own "legally"...
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That is why I would DIY.
They are way to expensive.
I would bet if they even found out and you got fined it would be less than the charge, but I don't know of anyone ever being done for it.
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I will have to think about it... A cheap DIY option could turn into a very expensive fine...
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Hi
quote from Brit Brat: That is why I would DIY.
that is YOUR prerogative.
I do not believe that as a responsible site providing help , we should be recommending any form of conduct that could lead to prosecution or fines
quote Failure to obey these rules may result in prosecution and/or a fine by BT.
Read more: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm#ixzz0pSCoGs51
Regards Jeff
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1. Hear hear Jeff!
2. If the IDC terminals have been stretched then there is every chance that the line will crackle.
If there is the slightest noise on the line report it as a phone fault and I suspect that BT Openreach will fit a new NTE socket free of charge.
3. If the modem is to be connected anywhere other than the master socket you can fit an ADSL Nation faceplate which contains two sets of terminals for ADSL and phone. Alternatively you can buy screened RJ11 leads of almost any length from ADSL Nation.
Kind regards,
Walter
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I have to say I am with Walter and Jeff, doing something against the terms is something I am not comfortable with.
As for the line quality its crystal clear... Since removing one of the extensions the sync is to 8064kbps with 7dB SNR so its doing something.
I will work on replacing the extension for the router today and then see how it does then.
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Hi
quote from Brit Brat: That is why I would DIY.
that is YOUR prerogative.
I do not believe that as a responsible site providing help , we should be recommending any form of conduct that could lead to prosecution or fines
quote Failure to obey these rules may result in prosecution and/or a fine by BT.
Read more: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm#ixzz0pSCoGs51
Regards Jeff
I agree sorry.
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Well the wiring has been done.
Still getting my evenings outbreak of noise though... :-[
Seems the connection is coping with it ok though...
8000kbps Sync with 7dB SNR (1dB spare) when no noise... looses the 1dB spare in the evenings.
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HI
quote : looses the 1dB spare in the evenings.
That's very good probably better than many others :)
Regards Jeff
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Hey guys I'm new here. I was wanting to get an nte5 fitted and was worried BT would charge a fortune and leave me with an external nte or something, I knew there was an Openreach engineer in my road and caught them coming out from their van. I explained that I wanted my LJU2/1A replaced with a NTE5 and she said if I called up and asked it'd be about £200 or free if I had a fault, she said she wished she got paid the call out charge and said I'd be better off doing it myself If I felt competant to do it and gave me a NTE5 (she said they only cost about 5 pence). I said I'd read that I couldn't interfere with BT wiring and asked if I could pay her cash in hand to fit it at her convenience, so we swapped numbers and she said she could come round Monday evening.
Before phoning BT try to find an engineer in the street, the lady I was talking to was going to a union meeting, BT workers are planning to strike, so they'll probably be more likely to take £20-30 cash in hand for a 10 minute job in their own time.