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Title: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 12, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
Thought this might be of interest to anyone using/or thinking of using Opera.


http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 12, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
Thanks for the linky unkyUb.........interesting stuff in there.

The guy who wrote that blog, tamil, is a regular on the Opera forum and he does know his stuff..........in fact I believe that he is an Opera staff writer.

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 12, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Yw TD,I know you are an avid Opera user and probably will know most of those tips,but I guess someone who has never tried it before could find it of use.

The only thing putting me off giving it a go is if it is compatible with online banking sites and such like.?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on February 13, 2010, 10:06:30 AM
I mostly use Firefox but I also use Opera as well and like it (there is no problem having both browsers installed on your PC).  I especially use Opera for my banking and suchlike and have no problems with it - I find its default typeface is slightly larger and easier to read than Firefox.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 13, 2010, 10:23:45 AM
Opera also has the ability to "edit site preferences" for individual sites and through that to adjust javascript settings, certificates etc. and by fiddling with these I, like jazz, have no problem with the vast majority of https sites.

The main problem lies with any site authored by Microsoft ( such as Hotmail) where Msoft have restricted the ability to use them to IE, Firefox and Safari.

Other than that....no problem.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 10:40:27 AM
I've just downloaded Opera and I am having a play about...

My bank loads ok.

Its just the bookmarks I'm struggling to come to terms with
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 10:42:43 AM
>>> My bank loads ok. <<<  :thumbs:

Can we assist on the bookmarks questions ?  :)..................if you are wanting to copy in your bookmarks from Firefox, in Opera go file>import and export>import netscape/firefox bookmarks 
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 10:50:30 AM
Thanks Td,I clicked the import firefox bookmarks but then where do I find them?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
It should be something like bookmarks>bookmarks>from netscape/firefox
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Can't see anything.

How do you set your homepage?

and how do you access speed dial(other than opening a new tab)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on February 14, 2010, 11:10:43 AM
Via "Tools" (on top line) you should get a drop down menu offering the option of "Appearance".  This allows you to set the bars and lines that you want on the page.  That top line can then also include "Bookmarks" button.  For Speed Dial instructions the Opera Help page is the easiest to follow - find it at

http://help.opera.com/Windows/10.10/en/speeddial.html

For other general help on Opera go to http://help.opera.com/

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 11:23:33 AM
Just a thought, unkyUb............what version have you downloaded ( tools>about Opera)

The current is version 10.10. There is a beta version to be had (10.50) which uses quite a different UI to the previous versions........have you got that by mistake ?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 11:26:54 AM
Its not the latest 10.50 beta version,I think it is the 10.20?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 11:43:09 AM
Gone back to FF,

Couldn't sort out the bookmarks marks.I like have a side book marks bar and also the top smart bookmarks bar for FF.I also have Google toolbar with the auto fill button and the gmail button.One minute the bookmarks were then then the had gone  ???

I did find it fairly quick though.

I think I will have another session with it when I have more time as I quite liked it  :)

Now what about Chrome.  ;D

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
It does take a little playing around with when first used.......but there is an awful lot underneath the bonnet, no need for any add-ons or plug-ins.

Side Bar...........Opera calls this a  "panel"..............to get it go view>toolbars and click the option "panels"

Home page.............open up the page you want to set as home and with that still open go tools>preferences>home page and click the box "use current"

Bookmarks.............can you see them if you go bookmarks>manage bookmarks.
If not they might not have "taken", so if you open firefox and export them to C;\documents and settings\owner or your name or whatever identifier\application data\Opera\Opera\bookmarks.adr

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
Thank you TD for putting up with,taking the trouble to answer my queries. :)

No doubt I shall be back to torment you in the coming days.  ;D

Said I would be back... ;D

Is there such a thing as 'auto fill' forms in Opera.

How do you add /remove things from the 'personal bar'
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 05:11:48 PM
No probs. unkyUb, glad to try and assist.

Speed Dial is not something I use, but have been looking at the options.

It is only available in a new tab, unless......you can set it as a sort of home page by tools>preferences>start up.....click on the little arrow on the right of that and from the drop down menu select "start with Speed Dial"

To delete anything off any toolbar, right click on the offending icon and then go customise>remove from toolbar

Autofill...... go tools>preferences>forms

 :)

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 14, 2010, 06:16:41 PM
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Autofill...... go tools>preferences>forms
  ;) Thanks TD,sorted.

Next,

Is that no option to download McAfee Site Advisor in Opera,does it have something similar to rate the safety of websites ?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 14, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
McAfee Site Advisor and similar do not work with Opera.

Opera has built in "fraud protection"........to enable tools>preferences>security>tick "enable fraud protection"

Opera then has colour coded flashes green ok, yellow fine but with caution etc down to red which is avoid at all costs..which flashes appear next to the url in the address bar.
It only works on sites/pages where you are making a payment of some sort or where other sensitive data is required so it is not a site advisor in the same way as McAfee but it is the nearest you can get........and is very effective.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 15, 2010, 07:50:28 AM
I see,Thanks TD.I just have got use to seeing the green/yellow/or red ticks against websites.  :)

I now seem to have got to grips with my bookmarks.Is it possible to download google toolbar,or similar.?

How can I add bookmarks to the 'personal bar' without adding them to the side 'panel'

I just thought I could have a list of bookmarks on the side bookmark panel and then some more on the personal bar?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: BritBrat on February 15, 2010, 08:16:40 AM
Just installed and imported bookmarks from IE6 and no problem at all.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 15, 2010, 08:28:49 AM
>>>I just have got use to seeing the green/yellow/or red ticks against websites<<<  :thumbs:

The official Google Toolbar is not supported on Opera. There are various workarounds such as the one at http://www.favbrowser.com/google-toolbar-for-opera/ .........but I am not sure if I trust anything like that.

To get bookmarks onto the personal bar :-

If it is an existing bookmark, drag and drop from the panel then go into bookmarks>manage bookmarks and delete from the panel listing.
If it is a new bookmark, open the page as required then go bookmarks>bookmark page and when that opens click on "details" and a dialogue opens where you can tell Opera where to put the bookmark, panel or personal bar.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 15, 2010, 08:39:44 AM
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To get bookmarks onto the personal bar :-

If it is an existing bookmark, drag and drop from the panel then go into bookmarks>manage bookmarks and delete from the panel listing.
If it is a new bookmark, open the page as required then go bookmarks>bookmark page and when that opens click on "details" and a dialogue opens where you can tell Opera where to put the bookmark, panel or personal bar.

Ok,I dragged it onto the personal bar,then opened bookmarks>mange bookmarks,where I was confronted with a list of my bookmarks.I deleted the one I had dragged onto the personal bar,but it also removed it from the side panel.

I re added the bookmark,ticked add to personal bar,but id also added it to the side panel as well even though that box was left un ticked?



Edit,

Well I am still using it.Tbh I find it very fast,probably a fraction faster than FF.It does take some getting use to,but I quite like it and it is a lot better than IE7 (not tried 8 yet)  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 15, 2010, 10:32:46 AM
Odd.......will need to ponder a bit about these bookmarks.... :hmm:............and get them sorted before you relapse into wuss mode  again... :D

Will be back.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 15, 2010, 10:56:16 AM
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and get them sorted before you relapse into wuss mode  again..

  :D

Edit,I have been reading about the new Opera 10.5 release.Is this now ready for everyone?Only when I check for updates,it says Opera is up to date?

Apparently I am running version 10.10
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 15, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
Version 10.10 build 1893 is the current "final"..................version 10.50 is still in beta, and as it is a beta you cannot update from one to the other. You can download and install 10.50 alongside 10.10.........but that is fraught with problems when trying to integrate bookmarks/passwords/forms between the two and you are liable to lose the lot. Better to wait till it is final then do an over the top upgrade.
When 10.50 becomes final, you can update by going help>check for updates and let it to it's thing.

I am baffled by this bookmarks placement thing.
I do not usually use a panel or a personal bar, but set both up today and have been trying to achieve what you wish..ie bookmark on the personal bar but not in the panel.
I am getting the same problem as you....the little dialogue where you appear to have the option to nominate where you want the bookmark appears to be meaningless.

I have posted a question about this in the Opera forum...will relay any info.


edit to add.......

Definitive reply from the Opera guru, Tamil,.......................not possible to have it on personal bar but not in the panel..........http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=410951&t=1266244419&page=1#comment4226311

Tamil has made no comment about the apparent personal bar/panel option boxes...will ask him again.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 15, 2010, 04:00:44 PM
Thanks TD, I have now not bothered with the personal bar as it seems to duplicate what you have on the side bookmark panel.
It works the other way round..ie  if you remove from personal bar it still leaves the bookmarked website on the side panel.

Re 10.50 ......will wait till it is offered through the help> check for updates route.  :)

Its me again.  ::)

The search box at the side of the address box........can you set it to predictive text,so that when you start typing it tries and predicts what you are looking for.
At present you have to type in what you are looking for and then hit 'enter' which takes you to Google.If not is there an alternative that does this.

I find this handy in FF (google search) for checking spelling quickly. :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 16, 2010, 07:40:07 AM
>>> .can you set it to predictive text, <<<

I don't think so...at least I cannot get it to work.
If you type in a full name in there, such as kitz, and hit enter...it will take you to the full Google page.

You can, of course, if you had Google as a home page and were using the main search box in that.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: BritBrat on February 16, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
Just a thought, try exporting favourites from FF to a folder on desktop then from Opera import them.

EDIT:

I just tried to do it but Opera does not support it from FF.

What you could do is export FF to IE then import from IE to Opera.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 16, 2010, 09:27:18 AM
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You can, of course, if you had Google as a home page and were using the main search box in that.

Thanks TD.

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What you could do is export FF to IE then import from IE to Opera.

Thanks BritBrat,

Tbh I have now manually installed what bookmarks I really need.I have loads on FF that I very rarely use so I will leave them there (I can always keep going back to FF if required)

I like both FF and Opera equally so I will probably keep alternating on a regular basis.

I think its just a case of finding out what each browser has and doesn't have.In an ideal world it would be nice to customise your favourite bits from each browser. :)

Will the new Opera 10.50 have many features tha 10.10 doesn't.?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 16, 2010, 09:32:02 AM
>>> Will the new Opera 10.50 have many features tha 10.10 doesn't <<<

Mostly under the bonnet, with some changes to the UI

You can read the changelog here.....http://www.filehippo.com/download_opera/changelog/
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 17, 2010, 12:03:19 PM
Thanks TD,interesting reading.Quite a few changes being made,and by all accounts its very fast.

I am still using Opera after 3 days and find it very good and very quick loading web pages.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on February 17, 2010, 02:13:24 PM
I like Opera too.  The only feature from Firefox that I miss when using Opera is AdBlocker :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 17, 2010, 02:21:56 PM
I like Opera too.  The only feature from Firefox that I miss when using Opera is AdBlocker :)


Use the Opera built in one..... ;)....................Opera calls it "content blocker"
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: scottiesmum on February 17, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
I've been reading this topic with interest, and you know me and gadgets   ;D  ....   SO ....   I'm giving Opera a whirl - again ...  I use to use it before Firefox and it really has improved since then ....I'm still exploring but finding my way around slowly,  and having fun !
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 17, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
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I'm still exploring but finding my way around slowly,  and having fun !

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 17, 2010, 04:10:51 PM
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Use the Opera built in one..... ....................Opera calls it "content blocker"

Just had a try and blocked the adds at the top of the page.......Can't seem to get them back though.

Re-enabled the block content toolbar,>details>which then gives a box with www kitz co uk/files/* in and then 3 options on the right,

Add,Edit or Delete....Do you just delete it for the adds to return?  ???

Tried deleting the above and it doesn't return the add banner....

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: silversurfer44 on February 17, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
I am also giving Opera a run after a good long rest and Yes! it has improved a great deal. I think I'll stay with it.
UncleUB, I have the Linux version which I think is very similar to the Windows flavour and you need to delete the ads/content you wish to be NOT blocked. Do a refresh of the page otherwise you may still have the blocked content in your local cache.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 17, 2010, 05:03:31 PM
@ unkyUb...>>>>>>>>Do you just delete it for the adds to return <<<

Yes......that deletes it from the list of blocked content and allows it to reappear on the site.
When you are still on the "blocked conyent" window, highlight the kitz entry and hit delete......then hit the "close" button on that window. That should take you back to the "preferences" window.....on there, you must click on the "ok" button to make your command stick.
 
As silversurfer44 saya, a refresh of the page after that may be required.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 17, 2010, 06:02:43 PM
Ah,got it,it was the 'refreshing page' bit that I wasn't doing.   :doh:............Thanks TD ans SS  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 17, 2010, 07:03:25 PM
>>> Ah,got it <<<  :clap2:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 18, 2010, 05:49:43 PM
Does any one know when Opera 10.50 will be rolled out to everyone(non beta version)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 18, 2010, 05:53:05 PM
It could be a little while yet, unkyUb......it's not long out of alpha ans Opera do tend to make sure all is ok before final release.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 18, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
It could be a little while yet, unkyUb......it's not long out of alpha ans Opera do tend to make sure all is ok before final release.

I see  :)

I am now a fully fledged Opera Convert,

The only thing I miss is my Google toolbar,but thats not the be all and end all. :)

If 10.50 is a good as the reviews,bring it on.  :)

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 19, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Alas, unkyUb, Opera considers Google Toolbar and the like to be a security issue and will not let them function in their browser.

Indeed, apart from the likes of Java and Flash.....they will not permit very many plug-ins or add-ons, which is ok by me as most of what users need or want is built in.

Will keep an eye on the development of 10.50 and give a shout if I see a final version on the horizon.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: silversurfer44 on February 19, 2010, 10:09:24 AM
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Opera considers Google Toolbar and the like to be a security issue and will not let them function in their browse
Good for Opera. I think along the same lines.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 19, 2010, 10:39:33 AM
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Alas, unkyUb, Opera considers Google Toolbar and the like to be a security issue and will not let them function in their browser.

I never thought of that as a reason,but anything that adds to security has got to be good.  :)

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Will keep an eye on the development of 10.50 and give a shout if I see a final version on the horizon.

Thanks TD.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 21, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
Just an Opera query.

when browsing the Marks and Spencer site.I open a link to look at chairs and the image appears,but as soon as I start to scroll down it disappears.Its fine in FF.

Example

http://www.marksandspencer.com/Ashbourne-Recliner/dp/B000U41N2A?ie=UTF8&qid=1266752836&categoryNodeID=43670030&ref=sr_1_3&page=&node=198220031&sr=1-3&mnSBrand=core&rh=

Does something need enabling to be able to view it correctly in Opera.Don't have any similar problems with any other sites.



Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 21, 2010, 12:18:50 PM
Try this, unkyUb.

Open  the page and have the chair showing as it should be.
Point the cursor at a blank part of the page and right click.
When the drop down menu appears, go.......edit site preferences>scripting and then take the tick out of the box "enable javascript".
Click ok out of that.

Does that cure the problem ?  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 21, 2010, 12:26:50 PM
Thanks TD,it does leave the image there doing as you say.If you the click the enlaree icon enlarge it opens in another window.Before it was a zoom button

http://www.marksandspencer.com/richContent/B000U41N2A?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=028G2FD4B1MWV02NXBV0&pf_rd_m=A2BO0OYVBKIQJM&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000U41N2A&pf_rd_p=83432367&pf_rd_s=left-3

But the other small thumbnail views at the side are not clickable.

In firefox,when you click the fabric samples at the bottom the chair changes according to what fabric you click.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 21, 2010, 01:23:51 PM
Hokeydokey.....try this for size... :)

Right click..>edit site preferences>scripting and put the check mark back in the javascript box.

Then, still in site preferences, hit the "network" tab and go down to the "browser identification" menu at the bottom and use the wee arrow to the right to change from "identify as Opera" to " masquerade as Firefox"............

Then, still in site preferences go to the "geberal" tab, go to the encoding group tab and change from "automatic" to "unicode" and in the encoding box select UTF-8 if that has not been already selected.

Click ok out of that. Refresh the page.

Does that do the trick ?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 21, 2010, 01:33:16 PM
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Does that do the trick ?
  :thumbs:

Thanks TD,

Is that mask as Firefox just for that site/will it affect any other sites?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 21, 2010, 01:53:51 PM
 :clap2:

Any changes made in the tools>preferences will be applied globally but any changes in "edit site preferences" are applied to that site only and the global rules will continue to be applied everywhere else. So in this case, the mask as Firfox applies only to that site and any others where you make a similar tweak.

This is one of the features that make Opera so flexible and by adjusting these preferences on a site by site basis ( if required ) makes it possible to read all but a handful of sites.

Ok, a bit of a fiddle at the time, but once these site preferences are set......they remain so until and if you want to change them.

The only sites where such tweaking will have no effect are the ones authored by Microsoft, such as Hotmail, as Microsoft have made the decision that only IE, FF,and Safari will work for them.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 21, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
I see.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my queries/questions.  :)

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This is one of the features that make Opera so flexible and by adjusting these preferences on a site by site basis ( if required ) makes it possible to read all but a handful of sites.

That is an excellent feature,well done Opera.  :clap2:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 21, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
>>>> Thank you for taking the time to reply to my queries/questions <<<

My pleasure... :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 22, 2010, 11:17:57 AM
Does Opera have the option to translate foreign websites into English?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
I don't think so.... :(

This workaround will work if you have Opera set as your default browser.

Open Opera and call up Google.co.uk and type the URL of the required site into the search bar ( not the address bar ) and hit enter.
That URL should then appear in Google as a succesful search and Google should show alongside it the option to translate. Hit on that and the translation should appear displayed in Opera.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 22, 2010, 12:26:41 PM
Thanks TD  :)

I visit quite a few Dutch camping retailers looking at tents etc and it does make it easier if you can understand whats written  ;D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 12:30:22 PM
If you are feeling brave and want to get your hands dirty............http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/google-babelfish-translation
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 22, 2010, 12:36:16 PM
If you are feeling brave and want to get your hands dirty............http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/google-babelfish-translation

 :o

I'll stick with translating via Google.  ;D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 01:45:56 PM
Wuss    :D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 22, 2010, 01:59:44 PM
Wuss    :D

 :P

Correct.  :D

I have downloaded the little google translator widget,which works fine.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 02:16:55 PM
Wow.........great find, unkyUb.....well done.  :clap2:

I had never thought to look for something like like in among the widgets........it seems to work a treat, and no fiddling or hassling.

Or should I say......."Je n'avais jamais pensé à chercher quelque chose comme comme dans les widgets ........ cela semble fonctionner un régal, et pas tripoter ou des histoires."........... :graduate:

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.....woohoooo... :D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 22, 2010, 02:20:56 PM
Wow.........great find, unkyUb.....well done.  :clap2:

I had never thought to look for something like like in among the widgets........it seems to work a treat, and no fiddling or hassling.

Or should I say......."Je n'avais jamais pensé à chercher quelque chose comme comme dans les widgets ........ cela semble fonctionner un régal, et pas tripoter ou des histoires."........... :graduate:

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.....woohoooo... :D

Not calling me a wuss now are yer........ :D

Thought it might come in handy for you when you are trying to decypher Scottiesmum's clues...... :lol:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 02:26:55 PM
>>> Not calling me a wuss now are yer <<<  :-X  :D

>>>Thought it might come in handy for you when you are trying to decypher Scottiesmum's clues......<<<............I don't think there's a widget yet invented that will help with them... :lol:

Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: roseway on February 22, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
Do you mean to say that Opera hasn't got a discombobulation widget?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on February 22, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
It's still in beta...but they know how urgently required it is... :D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on February 27, 2010, 01:27:52 PM
I see Opera version 10.50 Beta 2 has been relased,how many of these testing stages do they go through until the official version is rolled out?

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1050b2/
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on February 28, 2010, 09:19:33 AM
The answer is "as many as they need to ensure it is bug free before release".  Opera is particularly careful and may well move from a Beta stage to RC1 or even RC 2 (RC = Release Candidate) before finally releasing the finished product.  This could all take several weeks from start to finish but  shouldn't be too long now!!  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 01, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
The release is semi-officially scheduled for about the middle of March. ..... :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 01, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
The release is semi-officially scheduled for about the middle of March. ..... :)

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 02, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
Opera 10.50 final has been released today...... :thumbs:

Available by either opening Opera then help>check for updates..................(but you may get the "you are using the latest version of Opera" message as their update servers are swamped at the moment)..............or go to http://www.opera.com/browser/download/         ....or from http://www.filehippo.com/download_opera/   ..... and download and save to desktop or download folder.

Either way, when installing you will get a message ( I forget the exact wording ) asking if you wish a fresh unstall or an upgrade of an existing installation...choose the upgrade option and all your settings/prefs/bookmarks/passwords etc etc will be preserved.

This version has a fancy new UI....but that will only be available to those who have Vista or Win7 with the "Aero" graphics feature switched on.

Off to give it a try... ;D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 02, 2010, 02:24:35 PM
 :thumbs:

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Available by either opening Opera then help>check for updates..................(but you may get the "you are using the latest version of Opera" message as their update servers are swamped at the moment)..

Thats what I'm getting. :'(

I'm not in a rush(well only slightly) so will wait until the Opera 'Veterans' have filled their boots.. ;D

I have Windows Vista Home Premium with the Aero Graphics switched on so it should look  8)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 02, 2010, 03:33:17 PM
Aaarrrgghhh disaster..........am posting this from lappy in local library.

BSOD....

Don't do it.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 02, 2010, 04:05:21 PM
I'm back........system restored back two days and reinstalled older version.

Not going to try that new one again until they sort things out.....have posted various moans on the Opera site...
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 02, 2010, 04:25:41 PM
 :o

The answer is "as many as they need to ensure it is bug free before release".  Opera is particularly careful and may well move from a Beta stage to RC1 or even RC 2 (RC = Release Candidate) before finally releasing the finished product.  This could all take several weeks from start to finish but  shouldn't be too long now!!  :)

Doesn't sound as though they have been that careful.  :-X

Glad I didn't try to update just yet...........Being a wuss can have its benefits. :D
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 02, 2010, 04:49:25 PM
They usually are very careful and I have never had a problem before.
I have noticed, however, that the new version states it is build 3296....exactly the same as the beta version, so maybe we have been conned.

Anyway, have just reinstalled and this time all is well, working fine but to be honest I don't see much difference in performance over the older version.....however, it's in and it's staying..no more fiddling about for TD today.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 03, 2010, 07:05:15 AM
Having a look at the Opera forums,there seems to be a lot of complaints about 10.50.Looks like there is still a lot of work to be done still.

Still telling me I am using the latest version,so I am wondering if they are holding back till these glitches are sorted out.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 04, 2010, 08:23:33 AM
>>>Still telling me I am using the latest version,so I am wondering if they are holding back till these glitches are sorted out.<<<

It is being held back from auto-updates as the version is not yet finalised for all platforms (Linux and Apple yet to be completed ) but will be soon.


I have been using the new version for two or three days now and am very impressed. I love it...

Going back to my earlier post....having studied my event viewer for incidents at or around the time of my BSOD experience, it is clear now to me that that occurance was unrelated to the installation of Opera but was a glitch elsewhere in the system ( now resolved ).
I think this is a good case in point.....I blamed Opera which was not the culprit and I believe that a lot of the problems aired on the Opera forums also fall into the category of user error.

It is a great browser and it is working a treat...so fast and easy to use. I don't know what the UI may look like with the Aero graphics in Vista or Win7...on XP it looks as before with minor changes to the icons etc.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 04, 2010, 08:32:13 AM
Well as soon as its available via updates I will give it a go.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 10, 2010, 04:41:59 PM
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It is being held back from auto-updates as the version is not yet finalised for all platforms (Linux and Apple yet to be completed ) but will be soon.

Still waiting for the auto update.  :(
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 10, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
Not yet ready, unkyUb.  :(

A lot of users are reporting bugs and glitches and there is a bit of a rewrite going on...........although I am not experiencing any problem at all.

It transpires that this version is in fact a beta for which the roll-out date was was rather rushed on Opera before it was finalised  in order that the browser and the version could be included in the new Microsoft "Browser Option" menu thingy.

So it was pushed out early.....and has caused some upsets.

Will keep a weather eye open and give a shout when it is ok to update.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 10, 2010, 06:21:47 PM
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Will keep a weather eye open and give a shout when it is ok to update.
  :)

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 22, 2010, 02:11:36 PM
The latest version, 10.51, is now available as an auto download/install.

This new version by-passes version 10.50...the one that caused problems to countless users. I, however, will be not so eager to update after my recent experiences and will be waiting and watching the Opera forums to see how the update goes for other users.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 22, 2010, 02:59:03 PM
The latest version, 10.51, is now available as an auto download/install.

This new version by-passes version 10.50...the one that caused problems to countless users. I, however, will be not so eager to update after my recent experiences and will be waiting and watching the Opera forums to see how the update goes for other users.

Yes I have just had a look and it is available.........I will hold fire for the time being
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on March 25, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
I downloaded version 10.51 this week as a download from within Opera using the "check for updates" button.  I have had no problem with it and it does seem very fast and good to use.  Whatever problems occurred for TD on the beta version or the original v.10.5 do seem to be ironed out.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 25, 2010, 03:21:18 PM
Hello, jazz..........I have made that upgrade too, and am well pleased with it.

Much fiddling and testing and rafts of help and advice from the kind Kitizens have convinced me that my intermittent connection problems were not connected to Opera but to some other external force ( and I think I know what it is but am not tempting fate by naming it...just yet )

Two things.

The menu bar is disabled by default.....to get it back if you want it, hit the Alt. key........that gives the menu bar and the option to show it fulltime if you wish.

More importantly.......program updates are set to automatic by default....so you could get quite a surprise some time. If you don't want that go tools>preferences>advanced>security>program updates and adjust to your liking.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on March 25, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
Thanks TD - yes, I'd noticed both those features.  I don't like auto updates - I like a bit of control so I unchecked the auto update box.  To be honest I was a bit sorry that it was ready ticked and only on offer at the time of installation.  I got the menu bar back up because I am used to seeing it and quite like it being there but I did think the screen seemed less cluttered without it.  I think if I were a new user I wouldn't open the menu bar up - I would just get used to using the drop down menu from the little Opera symbol in the corner.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 26, 2010, 07:13:38 AM
Hi all,

so when you update to 10.51(from in my case 10.10),does it update your bookmarks etc ?Is everything as it was set up in 10.10 ?

I'm going to update it later this morning.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 26, 2010, 07:20:48 AM
Good morning, unkyUb

When you update, a window will pop up asking if you want to clean install to a different directory to the existing version.....or if you want to upgrade with your current preferences intact.

Choose that second option ( which is actually the first on the menu) and your prefs/bookmarks/passwords/forms etc will all be preserved as they are and carried into the new version.

Hope the change goes without problem... :fingers:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: jazz on March 26, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
If you do the update from within Opera (ie by clicking 'Help' then 'Check for Updates') then you will automatically get an update and not a clean install.  Everything that you had in v10.10 is seamlessly carried forward to v10.5.1.  Good luck!  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 26, 2010, 11:16:50 AM
Done and dusted..... :thumbs:


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The menu bar is disabled by default.....to get it back if you want it, hit the Alt. key........that gives the menu bar and the option to show it fulltime if you wish.

It wasn't for me. ???

When I click on >File,the show menu bar box is ticked.

Edit,just to say very quick at loading pages and using a nice glass skin  ;)

Edit....that nice glass skin doesn't display PDF pages properly,the pages are very pale and virtually unable to read......Other skins are fine,it just seems to be the ones that are glass orientated

Example Z1-Glass v 2.39 skin.



Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 27, 2010, 11:37:27 AM
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Much fiddling and testing and rafts of help and advice from the kind Kitizens have convinced me that my intermittent connection problems were not connected to Opera but to some other external force ( and I think I know what it is but am not tempting fate by naming it...just yet )

Are you any nearer to solving your problem TD ?
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on March 27, 2010, 05:16:36 PM
 :fingers:  , unkyUb, but not tempting fate by saying too much in case it hears me.. ;D

No problems for three days now...it's a record.. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on March 27, 2010, 06:07:29 PM
 :thumbs: :fingers:

Re Opera...I have been frequenting the Opera Forums the last few days...They are certainly an abrupt lot over there,if you post in the wrong section or ask the wrong question... :scare:

My own transition to Opera 10.51 from 10.10 was very smooth apart from a few glitches with various skins,but some of the problems people are/have posted..tbh I didn't think there could be that much go wrong in a browser. :o
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on April 02, 2010, 02:51:59 PM
This is a strange one....

When I visit the Computer Active forums http://forums.computeractive.co.uk/ The site opens ok,but when I try to click on a link to a thread nothing happens.
Then when I go to open another site site from one of my bookmarks it takes me to the C/A forum thread I was trying to click on?
This only happens using Opera..Firefox is fine.

I have tried using the masquerade as firefox thingy buts its still the same..

Just to add,this doesn't happen all the time,yesterday it was fine.This is the only site where it happens.

Edit,well I'll be dammed its ok at present,but this is not the first time its happened...
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: tuftedduck on April 02, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
I have had similar on both CA and V3.......the page freezes and then when you go to another bookmark or to your home page, it opens up at the link you originally wanted.

I don't think it is an Opera problem, rather a glitch in the CA/V3 javascript as I can get round the problem by right click>edit site preferences>scripting and disabling javascript.

It does seem to be patchy......sometimes the links work and sometimes not.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on April 02, 2010, 03:06:59 PM
That's exactly the problem TD.

I will make a note of your work around for future reference. ;)


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It does seem to be patchy......sometimes the links work and sometimes not.


Just the same for me.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my query.  :)
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: UncleUB on April 14, 2010, 11:15:13 AM
I have noticed on some websites that the last element sometimes never loads in...ie,it will stick at 193/194 elements.

Is there a fix to sort it out.?

When I click on..tools>preferences>advanced>history....I have..Memory cache set to auto.Disc cache set at 20mb,and the the 'empty on exit' box ticked.
Title: Re: Opera Browser
Post by: silversurfer44 on April 14, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
It may be you browser settings are preventing a script from completing. Mine does this as well on some sites. Not a bad thing in itself and as long as the page is loaded I wouldn't worry about it.