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Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: kitz on July 07, 2007, 12:30:32 AM
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{Topic Split from original since I took it completely OT - me chastises self}
actually can appreciate the joke - despite both my cats right now being very poorly and Ive been having to practically treat them like babies for the past few days. Its taken me the best part of an hour to hand feed them to make sure they eat something. I'm also having to cook a special diet for them.
Vets aren't sure whats wrong with them, but it would appear to be something infectious since the neighbours cat is also ill.
Theyve had 6 lots of meds so far and are at least past the crucial 4 day stage and holding out.
We were meant to get *bump (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,535.0.html)* this week, but thats had to be put on hold. :(
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Oh dear, I feel for you Kitz. Here's hoping it all goes well.
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Theyre still not quite right, but they are brighter this morning and a lot more alert.
Mouse was a little better yesterday and started walking around as normal - and the good news today is that Charlie came running up to me this morning meiowing for food. He didnt eat it all, but the "asking for food" in itself is a good sign.
Mouse still has the "3rd eyelid" half closed which makes them look rather strange in a chinese way, Charlies eyes are almost clear this morning.
Still not sure what it is - The neighbours cat who is ahead by about a week, apparently had all sorts of tests done which all come back negative.
My own vet on Monday said he wasnt sure if it was worth the expense of running tests on mine since I could shell out for a set of tests which by the time they came back could be too late :(
Im having to "nurse at home" since the risk of infection is too great and theyre being treated for bacterial infection and dextrose injections along with steroids to try give them a boost. Something seems to be working but if it is viral then theres nothing they can do about that side but wait until their own immune system recovers. Theyve sure had me worried though.
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Oh Kitz, I'm sorry to hear about your cats ....even though we have Scottie now, when we lived in the UK we had a beautiful huge tabby, from 8 weeks old to 19 years !!! I appreciate your worry, and hope they continue to get better and better every day .... :)
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Mouse is still quite poorly - although its a little windy here, the sun is breaking through the clouds and I went out in the garden with them. He's still very wobbly on his legs, but seems to be enjoying sitting out in the sun.
These are some pics Ive just taken of Mouse- (sorry about the quality but they were taken using my phone since I didnt have the camera to hand).
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fcats%2Fpoorly1.jpg&hash=7de7b601d9ef449aa177c81b8d362bb4146067aa) (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fcats%2Fpoorly2.jpg&hash=94b769d9002fb3bd31bcb34bd73248df2a763721) (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fcats%2Fpoorly3.jpg&hash=0c1864e282bf1dd77f73463c6b5ebf4648aec335)
Its been quite hard work the past week since theyve both not had proper control over their "functions".
They've both lost an awful lot of weight.. as you can perhaps compare with this pic last taken of Mouse only a couple of weeks ago.
Although Mouse has never been particularly large, he did have a pot belly. Chas has always been a "biggish" cat and when the vet weighed him the other day he was down to 3.7kg :(
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fcats%2Fmousecat.jpg&hash=2f7918496aa1fe81c8b79fdec4d732ea0bcc8fbc)
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Ma baba is ill =[
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is that you ?
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"Ohsnap" is my daughter.. and thats her in the pic
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Chas is seeming pretty good today - hes eating again and is even roaming around "his estate". :)
Mouse is still poorly and very out of sorts, hes been out led in the sun for a little while today, but retired back to his basket although he did come out for some tuna (his fav food) which he ate a bit of. He still looks very chinesey eyed. :(
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Awww, poor poorly pussies :( sounds like they are having a right miserable time. I hope the virus scoots soon.
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>Mouse still has the "3rd eyelid" half closed <
Bloomin' scary when it is completely closed. I remember when my cat ,(well my son's cat really) Polly, had her third eyelid closed. I thought she'd been in a fight or been hit by a car and lost her eye. After expensive out of hours visit to vet, who couldn't come to any particular reason for her distress, she was as right as rain (if we are allowd to say that in these wet times) the next day.
I hope Chas & Mouse will soon be up to their usual mischief soon.
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Just a thought.
Try and find out if any of your neighbour's are using "JEYES DISINFECTANT" apparently it is absolutely dreadful to cats.
Obviously if they walk through it then preen themselves, they get poisoned.
Hope they recover soon. :hug:
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Sorry JEYES not Jayes
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Another thought following on from OF ...
Dettol, (Jeyes Fluid already mentioned) and Pine disinfectants or any other cleaner containing coal tar derivatives are toxic to cats.
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>> Dettol
oh jeeze - guess who has been using dettol to clean the feeding area, whilst theyve been ill- Goes to google.
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OMG! I now feel awful - it doesnt say anything on the bottle and there was me earlier this week thinking I was doing the right thing. >:( However I dont think it is this though - I only used it the once cause since then Ive got some proper pet disinfectent in a spray bottle.
Thanks for the heads up will keep it well away from them in future. Will ask neighbours too about Jeyes fluid etc.
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Quote from can:
Stables, Hutches, Kennels and Pigeon lofts,
After cleaning out, spray or was down with a solution of 65ml per 5L of water (ensure premises are dry and well ventilated before returning bedding and animals)
SAFETY:
1. Apply away from Fish and Pets, especially cats.
end quote.
It give lots of other doe's and dont's but I think those are the 2 that may be of interest to you. (unfortunately)
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Kitz, ... it may be worthwhile having a word with your vet and telling him/her that you have used Dettol in the feeding area .... it might not have anything at all to do with the problem, BUT it may give the vet other ideas on treatment ! :) Kate
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Thanks guys I will do.. god you can imagine how horrified I was when it was first mentioned!
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Update
Chas is tons better and appears almost back to normal. (all be it a lot slimmer than last month).
Mouse is tons better too and actually eating today without having to be coaxed out of his basket. ;D
I cant believe that Im buying them best cod :no:
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That IS good news ... get them a few langoustines to go with the cod ;) really pleased for you ... :)
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Great news! Guess we'll soon be seeing Bump then ;)
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That IS good news ... get them a few langoustines to go with the cod ;) really pleased for you ... :)
lol Im just worried that when they are better they will turn their nose up at *normal* cat food. :'( :D
The past week Ive been giving them just about anything to try and tempt them to eat. The list includes
~ Best cod.
~ Some premium chicken breast fillets that I'd originally bought for me.
~ Cooking and carving up a Bernard Matthews Turkey Breast roll just for the cats.
~ Paying a rip-off £1 for a small can of tuna from the corner shop :/
~ Cooking a mix of rice and scrambled egg flavoured with a little tuna each meal time when they were at their worst, then spending nearly an hour hand feeding them.
The past 10 days or so has been very hard work nursing them back to health. Keeping them and the environment clean took a lot of time particulary when ones a white persian. If there was such a thing as "cat nappies" I would have bought them :D My mate said the other day that its a good job Im not at work otherwise I just wouldnt have been able to do it.
Not sure when we'll get *bump* I want to make sure mine are completely recovered and arent going to pass anything on.
The fact that whatever it was has floored 2 normally very healthy adult cats where even the vet wasnt sure if they would pass 4 days. Therefore Im not sure if a wee 8 week old kitty would fare too well under those circumstances.
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I don't feel very well, can I come and stay.... :lol:
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It does rather sound as though it may have been poisoning rather than an infection. Very nasty, and I'm really pleased that they're on the mend.
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I don't feel very well, can I come and stay.... :lol:
ermm Im not wiping your botty for you :lol:
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The vets really arent sure what it was. They think it may have been bacterial due to the fact that it responded to antibiotics. But it could also have been the steroids which gave them a bit of a boost.
Since a neighbours cat also had something very similar a week before then poisoning had been discussed also.
Re the dettol - although I did panic when I saw it here. I really dont think its that since I wiped everything down with a watered solution.. and didnt actually use it on their feeding bowls. I did on a day when they were already very poorly and only the once, since I have some proper pet disinfectant now.
I could have paid a fortune to have some tests, but as previously mentioned, the vet said that because of the delay in results coming back it could have been too late to have been of benefit. My neighbour did shell out nearly £70 for tests which all came back negative.
Main thing is they are on the mend :)
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Re the dettol - although I did panic when I saw it here. I really don't think its that since I wiped everything down with a watered solution.. and didnt actually use it on their feeding bowls. I did on a day when they were already very poorly and only the once, since I have some proper pet disinfectant now.
As you say, the main thing is they are on the mend and that's what really counts.
Your Dettol would not have been the problem, because the problem was there before you used it.
"IF" it is poisoning caused by Jeyes fluid or something similar, they would of caught it out-side with the younger cat catching it of one of the others by cleaning it/them.
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Both *boys* now seem fine and are back eating normally and I can let them back into the main part of the house without fear of accidents again.
However Mouse seems to have had a change in his diet preference.. previously he always prefered cat biscuits, but now he seems to want the sachets of meat, which seems to have rather an unfortunate effect and he can clear a room in 5 seconds. :no:
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Smelly cat, smelly cat, what are they feeding you.......
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Both *boys* now seem fine and are back eating normally and I can let them back into the main part of the house without fear of accidents again.
However Mouse seems to have had a change in his diet preference.. previously he always prefered cat biscuits, but now he seems to want the sachets of meat, which seems to have rather an unfortunate effect and he can clear a room in 5 seconds. :no:
Kitz...my old cat died 2 years ago at the ripe old age of 19.One thing that worried me,was my neighbours liberal use of slug pellets on his veg patch.These modern pellets are very toxic and personally I blame them for the decline of the song thrush population,which eat the snails,which eat the pellets!
I was told that inquisitive cats sometimes ate these pellets,I mentioned this to my neighbour (who was very fond of my cat) and she stopped scattering the pellets!
Just a thought!
ratae
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>> Smelly cat, smelly cat, what are they feeding you.......
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whiskas.co.uk%2FNR%2Frdonlyres%2F4FA8836F-946A-45CD-B303-51B92AD279A1%2F0%2FOrganicPouches.jpg&hash=bbb99e7bbbc61e398adb4332262c8d9691bb229f)
and chas who previously would only eat the above... now pines for Tescos pouches in gravy - but since the tesco that sells them is about 12 miles from here, he'll just have to wait. :/
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>>> I was told that inquisitive cats sometimes ate these pellets
hmmm.. I had scattered some of these pellets a while before they became ill.. but not since cause its peed it down just about every day and I havent been able to garden. When I was out there today I noticed the slugs had been having a field day with my plants.
The neighbours either side dont bother much with their gardens.
But Ive actually used pellets for years and I dont think theyve bothered with them before. (Theyre both 12).
But its certainly something I will bear in mind though - so thank you for the suggestion.
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I really don't like those slug pellets for the reason Ratae mentioned - their effect on other wildlife. It's not just thrushes - they can have a devastating effect on hedgehogs too. I know that slugs and snails are the bane of a gardener's life, but I've worked round that problem by growing slug-resistant plants and using liberal quantities of bran around young vulnerable plants. (The slugs eat the bran, which swells up inside them, and... you can work out the rest :) ).
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Far better to use Nematodes to kill slugs - they are microscopic creatures that burrow into the slug and eat it from the inside. The added benefit is that an infected slug burrows down into the ground so you don't even need to dispose of the body. The slug is also harmless if eaten by birds or hedgehogs (or cats). The most well known brand is Nemaslug which you simply water on to the garden once or twice a year. I get mine from greengardener.co.uk and the number of slugs and snails in my garden has reduced dramatically. The hedgehogs that nest there each year get rid iof any slugs that the nematodes miss!
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a friend of mine is a keen spinach grower and had a big slug problem for years, so he built a anti-slug electric fence around his patch. basically it was (or maybe still is) 3" wide strips of wood nailed together into a square, with 2 copper wires about 1/2 cm apart going all around the frame, and the wire attached to a transformer in his garage. he only had 1 infestation all year ..... this was either a hardy slug or it fell of a birds foot as it flew by :)
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The most well known brand is Nemaslug which you simply water on to the garden once or twice a year. I get mine from greengardener.co.uk
Thanks for that suggestion jazz, I'll give them a try.
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Also having a look at that site - thanks jazz.
They seem a bit cautious about how it works on snails - have you any experience on this - since its actually snails that do most of the damage in my garden.
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Reading these replies reminded me of an old retired vet I used to drink with years ago. He once told me that he could guarantee several cats requiring treatment every spring/summer for general malaise and eye problems. His theory was that this condition was caused by people treating their sheds, fences etc with creosote wood preservative. I dont know if that stuff is still in use tho.
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I don't know if creosote is still available to professionals, but it was banned from public sale a couple of years ago.
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The nematodes specifically target slugs rather than snails. However snails don't seem too fond of them and seem to stay away from areas that have been treated. My snail population (which used to be high) has certainly gone down since I started using nematodes about 6 years ago.
Snails are easier to get rid of though - they're just slugs with handles on!
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Kill snails :o :o
serve them with this Bordelaise Sauce !!!!
1/4 cup finely chopped shallots
1 oz. butter
4 oz. diced beef bone marrow
1/4 Tsp. cracked black peppercorn
1 sprig fresh thyme
1/2 cup red wine (Use a good table wine)
bon appetit !! ;)
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Is that after you have fattened them up with nematodes :o 8)
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Sounds like a nice sauce, but I think I'd prefer it without the snails. At least I'd want them to be flushed out first. :-\
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:lol: fatten them with flour .... clean them with vinegar .. it gets better this recipe !! :D
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Do you actually eat them Kate? or just give delicious sounding recipes to the squeamish.
I'm busy asking myself what is the difference between the prawns I've just had for tea, and snails. They're a pretty similar shape, you have to take both out of the shell, it's just my mind revolts at the thought of eating snails, ??? and says yum yum to prawns
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Hi Anne, yes I do eat them now and again .... my preferred dish of snails is in puff pastry with Bordelaise sauce... I must admit I don't like the texture much, but the taste is delicious .... when you think that prawns are known as the 'scavengers of the sea' it is funny that they are regarded as yummy! (I love prawns) in fact I think there is only one thing I don't like, and refuse it every time now, although I did once give it a try .... and that is eel ....there is a delicacy here that involves cooking it with lots of red wine and blood ...but it's not for me .... :no:
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lmao - I sat looking at your recipe for a min thinking is that supposed to kill them?
d'oh talk about slow.
Ive only tried them once many years ago on a school trip. That was enough thanks
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:D