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Announcements => Site & Forum Discussion => Topic started by: kitz on September 22, 2009, 11:34:04 AM
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Came across these.
http://helpdesk.vispa.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=199
http://helpdesk.vispa.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=198&nav=0,2,14
Which can be found from their knowledge base here (http://helpdesk.vispa.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=view&parentcategoryid=14&pcid=2&nav=0,2).
Spot the difference with
Interleaving Explained (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/interleaving.htm)
bRAS & IPprofile Explained (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/IPprofile.htm)
Bit surprised that a UK ISP should have done that.. particularly when I have contacts with them going back many years.
If they had wanted to use any of my copy righted material they could have easily have asked first and we could have come to some sort of agreement.
But to put content directly up on their knowledgebase and offering them as downloadable PDFs crediting the Author as Vispa Intenet Limited , when what theyve taken a direct copy from my site... really does take the biscuit. :-X
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Biscuit indeed! I trust that you've complained to them?
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Cut and paste. Even the hyperlinks to other Kitz sections have remained in the text. :no:
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Thats very cheeky..... >:(
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You'd better take a look at http://www.vivaciti.net/whmcs/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=2 (http://www.vivaciti.net/whmcs/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=2) :-X
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Admin note:
oops sorry - hit the wrong button. Edited rather than quoted by mistake.
Original post put back.
-kitz
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Biscuit indeed! I trust that you've complained to them?
You bet.
It will be interesting to see what they say.
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You'd better take a look at http://www.vivaciti.net/whmcs/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=2 (http://www.vivaciti.net/whmcs/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=2) :-X
Thanks for that orainsear.
Vivaciti did contact me in 2007 asking about reproduction of some areas and I responded at the time.
However somewhere down the line, the original source and link back appears to 'have got forgotten'.
I'll chase.
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Actually this is getting quite serious.. and I think I may need to start taking some legal advice.
Ive just found out that a company which manufactures telecommunication equipment - which includes adsl equipment - has taken the interleaved page and included it in their instruction manual for VDSL & mini dslams.
Theyve literally ripped the whole page.. replaced adsl with VDSL in relevant places.
They've then taken out my image which has (c) kitz 2006 and replaced it with one that theyve done which is practically the same, just re-coloured... and without the copyright note.
I cant afford to set a president here.. the whole site has been developed over many years, much research and hardwork and at one time offered information to the public which wasnt available anywhere else.
It takes up a huge amount of my time for no financial gain
I have no problem with others using it to help others - thats what its there for..
but now that commercial companies who make large profits are ripping the site off... this is going too far.
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Actually this is getting quite serious.. and I think I may need to start taking some legal advice.
I think that must be your next move Kitz.
When companies start to do this kind of thing it just isn't on.
The site is a wealth of information and has taken you many,many hours of hard work to put it all in place,then for big companies to come along and just copy it down and make minor edits is disgraceful.
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That's terrible, and I think it would be worth getting some legal advice. The Citizens Advice Bureau might be a good place to start.
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I have just spoken with my (tame) lawyer friend and he reckons you have a definite case. Advice is to write (registered letter) to their company secretary asking that they take out the offending pages whilst they negotiate with you for a licence to use your copyrighted material. In the letter give them a defined time period to take down (I suggest 7 days max).
I had a similar case a few years back and a VERY big american corporation climbed down gracefully wiithout any real fuss. We agreed that if they gave due credit to us for the material and supplied us with free printers/laptops (we were also a not-for-profit) then their transgression would be overlooked.
Go for it gal!
Colin
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The Citizens Advice Bureau might be a good place to start.
I was going to say "Sod them !"..........Colin beat me to it with the correct advice.
If the letter doesn't work then a formal solicitor's letter must follow very quickly........the cost is peanuts.
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The first letter usually works since the company secretary knows his legal obligations and can be relied upon to smack the marketing people around the head. :shoot:
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Thanks guys for the info so far.
Theres also more info thats come to light too.
Ive got some work to do.. and I will be following up.
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Hi
I was a bit slow . When I read the first 2 links I thought "hang on the prasing of this is familiar Then it clicked ???
What a cheek >:(
Regards Jeff
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Hi
Just been googling around using some of your phrases from the site .
This is one I found
http://mforum.cari.com.my/archiver/?tid-361955-page-22.html
http://www.adslgr.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-309952.html
Some sites fair do's have acknowledgements. Others don't >:(
Regards Jeff
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Kitz,
With my very limited understanding of legal affairs, two point come to mind...
1) Realistically, you may not be able to get anything done. Particularly if they're outside the UK they may simply ignore your protests, relying on you not wanting to risk huge amounts of money on legal proceedings that may fail (there's always that risk, no matter how unjust it would be). And I believe that in cases like this the loser normally pays the other guys court costs, which could be astronomical.
2) Notwithstanding (1), I think you need to at least make a formal protest and to threaten these folks with legal action. If you don't, I suspect that future abusers of your copyright could claim that you had 'acquiesced' in the past, which can count against you in future.
I'm certainly no lawyer though so do take proper advice.
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No matter how big the transgressor, the first step MUST be taken, requesting that they take down the offending material and negotiate a licence to use. Otherwise, apathy rules!
In the case of Vispa - they are a Cheshire-based outfit who may just play ball but, without having to resort to legal work, we (that's all of us here) can persuade James Ormerod their CEO that it would be in his best interest to acknowledge the hard work that Kitz has put into Kitz by at least acknowledging the source.
Colin
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Thanks guys.
I'm not too bothered about forum type posts where people have used bits of the info to help others.
Im not copyright crazy as the information is out there to be able to help others, but I draw a line at blatent ripping off content.
The ones that are bad are competitor help sites, ADSL help desks, and any other commercial site which makes a financial gain.
Quite a lot of correspondence has gone out over the past few days.
Some have been resolved today.
Bit surprised though that Ive not heard anything back yet from James Ormerod from Vispa, - he normally responds pretty quickly when its about their products... but you can be sure I wont let this drop.
Someone offered to put a comment at the bottom of the feed back.. but I said best leave be as theyd probably delete it anyhow.
Not heard anything back from vivaciti as yet either. ???
The telecoms company who included stuff in their dslam instruction manual is international and IMHO could be a bigger sin and therefore take longer to be resolved satisfactorily.
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Still not heard anything from Vispa or Vivaciti - these have now been followed up and also listed in the name and shame thread -
A formal notification of breach of copyright has also been sent to the parent company of Dynamix (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=5745.msg129187#msg129187) after mail to their UK office was returned undelivered this morning.
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Be careful what you put in this forum, they could be reading it. ;)
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I know - thanks.
But then they shouldnt be doing it.. and I will make it clear for others which companies will stoop to plagiarism and just how they handle it.
I will take further action and I wont sit back and let them get away with it.
Yesterdays further action resulted in responses within 24 hours from 2 of them, who had previously ignored the polite notices.
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I know - thanks.
But then they shouldnt be doing it.. and I will make it clear for others which companies will stoop to plagiarism and just how they handle it.
I will take further action and I wont sit back and let them get away with it.
Yesterdays further action resulted in responses within 24 hours from 2 of them, who had previously ignored the polite notices.
Funny when you dispense with the niceties how people take notice.......well done you.
Keep us posted
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Hi
Good for you !! .They should have more respect for the work and effort that you have put in .
Regards Jeff
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Re Dynamix
Nothing so far.. But a bit more info that Ive found with some digging.
Dynamix UK registered office address is
788-790 Finchley Road London NW11 7TJ
which basically is just a company registration office :(
A1 Co Services
Company Registration Agents (Office & Administration) based in the Finchley Road area of London
Tel: 020 84589637
Address: 788-790 Finchley Road London NW11 7TJ
From their website (http://www.godynamix.com/ukr/company.htm) they mainly seem to be majorly based in the
ukraine
All their domain information and website correspondence/enquiries goes to the parent company vectorkeiv
The following is aken from ripe
RSP: IMENA.ua
URL: http://www.imena.ua
owner-contact: P-VOK29
owner-organization: Technology Ltd
owner-fname: Victor
owner-lname: Kozlenko
owner-street: 12, Prorizna str
owner-city: Kiyv
owner-zip: 01034
owner-country: UA
owner-phone: 044-228-73-21
owner-email: victor@vectorkiev.com
nameserver: ns1.imena.com.ua
nameserver: ns2.imena.com.ua
nameserver: ns3.imena.com.ua
Now vectorkeiv throws up a very interesting link - it appears that dynamix is part of the larger vector group
Taken from the vector website (http://vectorkharkov.com/about.php?id=5)
In the second part of the seminar Yuriy Mironenko, the manager on Dynamix products of ‘’Vector” company in Kiev, made his presentation " Dynamix family is everything you need for organizing broadband access". All classes of the equipment, belonging to Dynamix family – DSL concentrators, ADSL, SHDSL, VDSL modems and routers, HomePNA and VoIP equipment were described in the report. Comparative characteristics of the equipment were analyzed. Different variants of application of these products were given.
In the third part of the seminar Alexander Ivanov, the technical director of “Vector” company in Kharkov, made his presentation "Building corporative geographically distributed networks for ASOTEL equipment". The report covered different solutions on using equipment, manufactured by ASOTEL, with trademarks VECTOR and DYNAMIX for small office networks as well as for distributed multifunctional networks on a corporation scale. The advantages of suggested solutions were analyzed.
The final part of the seminar was devoted to the presentation made by Yuriy Mironenko, the manger on MOXA products of ‘Vector company in Kiev - "МОХА 2004 – equipment for building industrial networks".
All the families of MOXA equipment – industrial switches and mediaconverters, industrial servers of devices with serial interface, industrial gateways, and all types of devices connected directly to computers (multiport boards, USB devices, converters) and new MOXA family of videoservers were considered in the report.
So just who is Vector?
"Vector company is a supplier of telecommunication equipment to UKraine" -
linky (http://vectorkharkov.com/catalogue.php)
Well it seems like they are also responsible for the manufacture of quite a lot of adsl technology.. shipping out under such names as Vector and BiPac.. or providing for some larger companies to be rebranded.
In fact this particular mini-dslam gets around also branded out as the netsys nvf-2400s - only difference is the sticker on the front.
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Theres also some heavy link going on too with Asotel (http://www.asotel.net/news.php?news_id=168).. but I havent found out yet if they are actually part of the same group or not.
The head of “Asotel” Vadim Starodubtsev opened the seminar. He stressed that a lot of work had been done for the period since last seminar. First of all, two lines of equipment Dynamix and Vector, manufactured under Asotel trademark have been almost fully developed. Today they include wide range of devices, application of which can solve the complex task of building multiservice networks for transmission of information of different types, including data, voice and video.
Requirements of local markets and specific features of existing channels of transmission have been taken into account when developing model lines. Asotel equipment has additional degrees of reliability at comparatively low prices, this fact has helped to achieve optimal correlation of price and quality.
The line of analog modems, “the last mile” broadband equipment (modems, routers and switches), xDSL equipment with SHDSL and ADSL support as well as the line of VoIP Dynamix DW can be marked out.
The company expects to develop wide line of LAN-equipment by the end of the second quarter of 2004. This equipment will be in demand in the market of Ukraine as well as abroad.
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Ukraine is dsperate to join the EU and there are ongoing discussions happening in the background.
Perhaps a contact with your Member of European Parliament could lead to interesting developments.
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Thanks TD :)
I'm going to send notification to the main vector group today.
I'm pretty certain that Asotel as well as Dynamix & Vector are all part of the same group as Ive just found something else that seems to imply they are - linky (http://vectorkharkov.com/product.php?product_id=496)
International company ASOTEL is a well-known manufacturer and supplier of a wide range of network and telecommunication equipment. The motto of the company “Vector of quality” is related to the equipment produced by the company as well as to the style of working.
Today Asotel is a dynamically developing company. The range of equipment offered by Asotel Company includes not only professional equipment but user as well.
Product range is constantly increasing, and at present moment includes: xDSL equipment (IP and ATM concentrators for central offices and peripheral equipment), VDSL equipment, PowerLine equipment, HomePNA equipment, VoIP equipment, bridges and routers, access servers, switches, active network equipment.
Among the members of the company are highly skilled engineers, who can solve difficult technical tasks and provide their clients and partners with all possible support in the sphere of telecommunication equipment and solutions.
Asotel Company regularly takes part in international and regional exhibitions, where it presents Asotel telecommunication equipment with trade marks Vector and Dynamix: modems, xDSL equipment for broadband access, bridges, routers, HomePNA and VoIP equipment.
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It will be interesting to see if the Vector group responds. You're up against some very big guns in a country which is largely unregulated, so the EU sounds like the best opportunity for getting some action if they don't respond. Otherwise, legal action against the UK subsidiary should get a result.
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Did you get any of the outstanding issues progressed or resolved Kitz?
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Did you get any of the outstanding issues progressed or resolved Kitz?
Thanks for your interest Mark.. I'll contact you at some point in the near future and advise you the current situation.
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hi KITZ this is better than watching (watchdog) hope you sort them out ..................... :-X :police: