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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: stevie on March 21, 2009, 07:18:28 PM
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BT has revealed new information about the roll-out of its £1.5bn programme to deploy super fast fibre optic (Fibre to the Premise/Cabinet, FTTP/C) broadband to as many as 10 million UK homes (40%) by 2012 (original news). Scotland will become one of the first places to benefit from early next year, with more than 34,000 homes and businesses in Edinburgh and Glasgow receiving speeds of up to 40Mbps and potentially 60Mbps.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2009/03/21/bt-reveals-first-fibre-optic-broadband-rollout-plans.html
Its a start.... :)
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Like you say its a start... long overdue.
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My ISP is already offering this as a business connection, but I don't think I will be able to afford the 10's of thousands GBP it costs any time soon!
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Why have BT selected the areas that they have ?
See here..........http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/250032/why-is-bt-laying-fibre-on-virgins-cable-territory.html
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Just to make matters worse BT have been ignoring us in Ewhurst for over two years, where they asset stripped the exchange in the eighties, but installed a high capacity fibre running right through the village to the Mullard Space Science Laboratory on Holmbury Hill and yet have ignored our requests for FTTC. We continue to struggle with ADSL connections running and extra 3 km from the Cranleigh Exchange leaving the outliers including two schools without any direct ADSL services.
Excuse me but I'm in high grump mode !
Kind regards,
Walter
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This really pee's me off with BT,Those that already have a fast connection will get an even faster one,and those with slow or no connection will still have little or no connection. >:(
The trouble is the longer the stretch to run FTTC the bigger the cost,so BT will concentrate on the shorter lines and then say how they have given most of UK a fast ADSL connection. >:(
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FTTC should bring a very good improvement to a lot of lines... though granted it is going to be very costly.
I dont envisage there being much improvements on shorter lines... for example on my own line I dont expect to see any improvement at all.
/me is also grumpy since my own line has lost about 1.5Mbps in the past few months which I cant get to the bottom of.. and I'm not going to do anything about it with BT or my ISP since they wont take a blind bit of notice.
I've been watching the speed slowly chipped away at - not sure if its NeXT, FeXT or my neighbours.... or a combo of NeXT + the neighbours :-\
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It will however help me as I will get a new E-Side cable ... but sadly rochdale is not on the list yet.
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A bit more info on the first 29 exchanges to get Fibre...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3912-bt-announce-first-29-exchanges-for-fibre-deployment.html
Just for fun another link....
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3915-is-150meg-from-virgin-going-to-revolutionise-broadband-in-2012.html
I`d hazard a guess Virgin don`t want BT or any other ISPs to have an equivalent product, but what is the normal user gonna gain or need these speeds for?
tuftedduck`s post earlier smacks of Sour grapes by Virgin, they (Virgin) might just have a challenger on their hands & it looks like they don`t like it... :lol:
Why have BT selected the areas that they have ?
See here..........http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/250032/why-is-bt-laying-fibre-on-virgins-cable-territory.html
As I see things its defo a Very Good thing if it challenges Virgin.
If BT were to actually do FFTP rather than FFTC, for every property we`d lead the world & every property would have fast BB, might be a dream & probably will still be a dream in years to come.
Personally, I`d like to see FTTP from BT or a Nationalized Gov type company, which could be sold Wholesale to any company at a fair rate, equal & public prices to all suppliers, it`d then come down to Customer support & extra value items, hosting, email etc, etc... Won`t happen, but hey its worth a dream...
We wouldn`t need sat dishes, wouldn`t need freeview boxes, wouldn`t need aeriels & various other things, it could all be supplied via Fibre...
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@stevie
But sadly we have ".... proud guardians of the nation's local access network ...."
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/home.do
provided they can continue to ignore the high cost ones i.e. those who have poor to non-existent broadband.
Kind regards,
Walter
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>> smacks of Sour grapes by Virgin, they (Virgin) might just have a challenger on their hands & it looks like they don`t like it
In theory it should be much easier for cable (which is already provided mostly by fibre) to upgrade their networks and theyve not been restricted by the capabilities of the copper wire.
BT having to lay fibre throughout the UK to (not to just selected cities/towns as with cable) all the cabs is going to be huge.
Last time I checked which was several years ago.. BT had something like in excess of 90,000 green cabs. I dread to think of the cost of laying new fibre to each of them and installing a mini dslam into every one :o
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>> smacks of Sour grapes by Virgin, they (Virgin) might just have a challenger on their hands & it looks like they don`t like it
In theory it should be much easier for cable (which is already provided mostly by fibre) to upgrade their networks and theyve not been restricted by the capabilities of the copper wire.
BT having to lay fibre throughout the UK to (not to just selected cities/towns as with cable) all the cabs is going to be huge.
Last time I checked which was several years ago.. BT had something like in excess of 90,000 green cabs. I dread to think of the cost of laying new fibre to each of them and installing a mini dslam into every one :o
Likely less than the bail out of the Banks, so seeing as the Government is flush with money...maybe they could pay for this or maybe get the banks to loan Openreach the money... :)
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@kitz
>> BT had something like in excess of 90,000 green cabs. I dread to think of the cost of laying new fibre to each of them and installing a mini dslam into every one.
Given that many will potentially have several hundred lines, a mains electricity supply and a battery-backed PSU is required along with the new rack of equipment, I expect that many cabinets will require complete replacement with the minimum of downtime for the users. That's quite a tall order and will undoubtedly need additional funding from somewhere.
However that doesn't make it any less vital that it's done as soon as possible and before we have thousands of different mini-systems provided by many different suppliers mushrooming everywhere. Can you just immagine what a maintenance and fault-finding nightmare that woul be ?
Kind regards,
Walter
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>> I expect that many cabinets will require complete replacement
Indeed. I saw a photo of one about a year or so ago.. the 'green cabs' will now be grey/black i believe.
>> However that doesn't make it any less vital that it's done as soon as possible
Agreed.
>> before we have thousands of different mini-systems provided by many different suppliers mushrooming everywhere.
I doubt that will happen, its such a mammoth project and so expensive to do so, that theres only BT that would likely be able to fund something like this.
In some countries abroad (I think Oz is one of them - Leo will be able to confirm)... what happens is that a Telco puts a bid in to install and supply the mini-dslams etc.
This sounds good in theory.. but theres a big downside as far as choice is concerned for the EU, as it means they can only get phone services and adsl from the company that installed the kit for that estate.
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Here's the next step in the "cable wars".
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/250107/virgin-may-open-150mbitssec-network-to-other-isps.html
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@ kitz
>> I doubt that will happen, its such a mammoth project and so expensive to do so, that theres only BT that would likely be able to fund something like this.
Yet there is already evdence that BT are trying to play FTTC catch-up with Virgin for the higher density areas rather than being our "Proud Guardians" and maintaining the vital National Asset.
Next to the Defence of the Realm all Governments and at present Lord Carter have a strong duty of care to maintain and enhance a robust National Communications Network.
Many will also remember that plight of NTL after the dot com bubble times although thankfully Virgin seem to be the Phoenix of their difficulties. In these turbulent times I wonder how many residents of Bournemouth and shortly Dundee are "sitting comfortably so we can begin"? I then look at those countries that have not de-nationalised their networks and observe the significant waste of time and resources here for projects such as Hambelden and Ebbsfleet for the resulting failure and a miniscule success respectively.
Kind regards,
Walter
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Virgin claimed it will be offering speeds of between 100-150Mbits/sec by the time BT's completed its 40-60Mbit/sec fibre rollout in 2012.
Interesting development on behalf of Virgin :)
However I cant help but wonder if they will also be subject to Virgins FUP... and how long it would take before you find yourself rate limited. Not very long at those speeds :/
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>> However I cant help but wonder if they will also be subject to Virgins FUP... and how long it would take before you find yourself rate limited. Not very long at those speeds :/
When we were upgraded from 4Mb to 10Mb the F.U.P was instant.
Although for the "so called" pirates, the 2 tier UL/DL time limitations which starts at 10am and finishes at 9pm makes it very hard to abuse the system (obviously as it was designed to do).
With the 50Mb being priced at £35 per month, I wonder how much 100/150Mb will cost.
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Long way to catch these up...........
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2009/04/06/japan-gets-worlds-fastest-160mbps-consumer-broadband.html
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I see balmoral in belfast is the first to get the FTTC. Well fair play to them as it is in the back Ar** of nowhere and a number of long lines are there aswell. Not to mention the exchange itself is almost fallen apart lol. Just can't wait till my exchange gets it cause at least i will get rid of that aluminium from the exchange to the cab.
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The proposed Dean exchange upgrade in Edinburgh is just toytown. There are only 200 properties in the Dean Village area anyways. There is no likelihood whatsoever of BT cabling up the rest of Edinburgh any time time soon, since the whole of the centre of town is already being dug up for the tram works, which will persist until at least 2011 and prolly well beyond that.
Now here's an idea akin to local loop unbundling, where BT were forced to open up their copper to other providers - wouldn't it be a laugh if Virgin were forced to unbundle their fibre network and let the small guys like BT use their glass ? :)
Peace
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That would be VERY funny actually. Think virgin though would probably fight against a decission like that.
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>> Now here's an idea akin to local loop unbundling, where BT were forced to open up their copper to other providers - wouldn't it be a laugh if Virgin were forced to unbundle their fibre network and let the small guys like BT use their glass ?
Some have already asked just that question and why hasnt a monopoly cable provider been made to open up their access network in the same way that BT were made to open up their provision. But then again the cynics wonder if the fact that much of the OFCOM topwigs are 'cable cronies' has anything to do with it.
What I do find ironic is that Sky were more than happy to jump take advantage of the loop unbundling with BT, but are now crying foul when OFCOM are now proposing that sky should open up their satellite provision. :-\
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Sky's tv in the biggest product they have in the market *although they where the fastest growing BB service provider ever* i think it was 1 million customers in 1 year they got. If sky have to share out there sky tv they are going to be devastated so they will fight against that alrite. Sky broadband has been a success for sky however they are still learning new things about the BB in regards to there technical side of things and still making a number of mistakes aswell but i guess that comes with the job eh lol. I can remember a few years ago a customer told me "sky should have just stuck with sky tv". Think his thoughts may have now changed since sky broadband is everywhere and on the top with the rest of the providers.