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Title: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 09:06:50 AM

I have had this  same on message on a few occasions, not many, but enough to be a nuisance and now worrying me ....  " Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot
media in selected boot device"
       Previously I have 'fixed' this by pressing F8 and starting in Safe Mode then restarting the system.   However, the last time this happened I took the tower to my computer lady, who plugged in, switched on and all was fine !!   It happened again this morning and I couldn't even get the F8 key to get any response, not the usual choice Safe Mode etc; but I did get a blue pane showing the A (floppy) and D (CD) options.    Finally I decided to trick the machine into thinking it had been taken to my computer lady again  ;) by unplugging everything then re-plugging .... and voila !  all started as normal.    This has happened for the last 2 days (previously there has been a considerable time lapse between this occurring) and it's because it has now done it on two consecutive days that I'm beginning to worry.

I have checked  the Event Viewer for possible information, by going to start/Run, typing  eventvwr and then clicking  the Application menu item and looking  for any  X.   I found a couple of X's and clicked on for further information  .....   strangely these  X's appeared the night previous in each case, looking at the time, on close-down...  I then looked at the report which read as follows on each
   (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013475/ScreenHunter_01%20Mar.%2019%2009.40%20(Small).gif.jpg)   the other message is exactly the same except the USB Driver is  e4ldr

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Reboot message or what I need to do if it is, and I'm hoping that someone will be able to explain ...  many, many thanks for any input.  :'(

Just one question on closedown,  my  internet connection    (by ADSL modem)  starts automatically when Windows opens ... should I let this close automatically with Turn Off  OR should I disconnection manually before Turn Off  ?     Again, many thanks.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 19, 2009, 09:36:40 AM
I think you need to have a look in the Device Manager at your USB Hub entry.
adildr.sys is a USB system device driver, not a WindowsXP driver.

In XP ( if Vista it should be the same)
Go to Start/Run, and type DEVMGMT.MSC , highlight the USB Hub devices,
Action menu, "Uninstall", then restart Windows, to find the
device drivers again automatically.

Hopefully that should so the trick..... :fingers:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 19, 2009, 09:50:54 AM
Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot
media in selected boot device


It would appear the BIOS software is not finding a boot device.
Check the BIOS setup screens and ensure your 1st boot drives are in the order you require.
This is normally floppy / CD/ HD or whichever drive your prefer i.e disable all except hard drive.
If the BIOS keeps losing the boot order, it may be a sign of a dying motherboard battery.

For the USB error message, are you using a USB modem?
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 09:53:51 AM
Thanks TD  I shall try that ...  sorry    ::)     I should have said my OS is XP SP3 ...............   do you think this is causing the Reboot message ?  or is this another problem ??  :)


Hello Exo, nice to hear from you again  !      Yes I'm using a USB Modem  .     Regarding the BIOS set up  ...   Oooooooooooo   this is where I get nervous because I don't really understand all this  ::) How would I do that please ??   (pathetic I know !! :D)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 10:01:56 AM
Back again,   TD  .....    I followed your instructions (haven't a clue what I'm doing  :( )  and I can't see USB Hub Devices, just Controllers, as on this  :    Is that the same things  ? and if so can you go through the steps  .....   sorry about this .... I know my limitations !!!! 

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013475/ScreenHunter_04%20Mar.%2019%2010.58.gif.jpg)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 19, 2009, 10:15:27 AM
When you boot up the computer, the first display on the monitor is the POST display (white text on black background).
On this display it will show a line such as
To enter setup, press ** (** = the key to press, normally the Del (Delete) key but does vary with different systems. Don't delay in pressing the relevant key when you see this as the option does not remain very long on screen.

The boot devices setup is normally on the Advanced BIOS Features screen.
See if you can locate that screen. Any change you make will need to be saved by pressing the F10 key and confirming.
So basically you can play around in the BIOS as much as you want as nothing is changed until you press the F10 key.
This may help.
http://www.ybet.be/en-hardware-1-23/bios-setup.htm
http://www.pcbuyerbeware.co.uk/BIOS.htm

Just to make life awkward, some manufacturers show a graphic display whilst POST is running in the background.
Let us know how you get on.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 19, 2009, 10:29:11 AM
Back again,   TD  .....    I followed your instructions (haven't a clue what I'm doing  :( )  and I can't see USB Hub Devices, just Controllers, as on this  :    Is that the same things  ? and if so can you go through the steps  .....   sorry about this .... I know my limitations !!!! 

Expand the USB controllers.

If that fails, then you may need to edit the registry.

Make a RESTORE POINT
Open the registry, by typing "Regedit" [no quotes] in the "Run" box.
Navigate to HK Local Machine / System where you will see ControlSet001,
ControlSet002, and CurrentControlSet.
Tick the box of ControlSet001 and navigate down to Services/ADILOADER
In the right hand pane the item "Start" will probably have a (2) listed
in the data column.
Highlight "Start" and right click the mouse
Choose "modify" and in the value data box simply type "0" [no quotes]
and click "OK"
You now have to repeat this for ControlSet002 and then repeat it again
for CurrentControlSet
Exit the registry, re-boot, and hopefully the error message has gone.


Hello Exo, nice to hear from you again  !

You have me at a disadvantage...............as you are from France, would I be right in guessing at KD?
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 10:46:48 AM
Thanks so much Exo for all this ....    your first links re the BIOS will take some reading and going through, which I will do later... and then refer to your instructions for the BIOS....

re:-  the second item  ..the USB controllers  ..  I've expanded that and  get this :-
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013475/ScreenHunter_05%20Mar.%2019%2011.34.gif.jpg)

I assume the top 6 items are what I should look at  ?     I'm a little confused that only 1 of them is allocated to a piece of hardware, because I have  the Modem,  and a scanner connected by USB too  !

I shall now go and do the registry edit ..  as that looks quite easy   (famous last words) !

PS.   Yes Exo  ..    KD  -  Kate   
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 19, 2009, 11:18:22 AM
Have you tried starting the system with the absolute minimum connected - i.e. monitor and keyboard only?
Everything else unplugged.
(in case you didn't know a brief press on the power button will shut a system down gracefully, so no need for a mouse; you can also do it via the keyboard if you know how)

I've seen many a strange happening at startup due to misbehaving USB devices.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 11:40:40 AM
Thanks for that HP  ...   I was always under the impression that I shouldn't close down from the power button ....  so I've always gone through the Turn Off option and I don't know the keyboard option ::) mind you that might be a good thing  :D


Exo  ..  I got as far as finding the HK Local Machine/System  ...    but I see ControlSet001  ControlSet003    CurrentControlSet    (not 002) as you state, does this make a difference ?   :)   Just as a matter of interest why would it be 003 and not 002 ?
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 19, 2009, 12:23:43 PM
Keyboard: Ctrl-Esc together opens the Start menu.
Then use arrow, tab and enter keys to move around and do things. You'll soon figure it out if you need to.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: UncleUB on March 19, 2009, 01:02:39 PM



Exo  ..  I got as far as finding the HK Local Machine/System  ...    but I see ControlSet001  ControlSet003    CurrentControlSet    (not 002) as you state, does this make a difference ?   :)   Just as a matter of interest why would it be 003 and not 002 ?

Kate,I have just looked in my registry (Vista with SP1) and Thats all there is in mine,ControlSet1 and ControlSet3,and also Current ControlSet.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 02:31:24 PM
Ooooooooo  Unc  I feel better now   ;D      Will do the necessary later  ....   thank you !
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 19, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
Been doing a bitty research into this usb adildr.sys thing.

Is your adsl modem a Sagem one..........this error seems to be associated with them

In device manager, I find my modem listed not under usb devices but under network adaptors

Your scanner will show not under usb devices but under imaging devices, but it will only show up if switched on.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 19, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
A useful little tool is USBDeview (USB device viewer) - you'll find it easily by googling.
It enables you to list and remove (*if appropriate) any or all USB devices and drivers in your system - connected or not.
I run it occasionally to clean up what otherwise becomes an ever-growing list.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 19, 2009, 06:30:17 PM
Hi Kate, I suspect the Controlsets will vary on each system, depending on what hardware is detected.
Expand ControlSet001 and see if you can locate Services/ADILOADER.
If located, modify as I suggested earlier. Don't forget to create a restore point first.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 19, 2009, 09:52:17 PM
I've done the ControlSets 001  003 and Current ControlSet as per your instructions Exo ...   I shall look at the BIOS tomorrow and let you know how I go on. 

TD,  Yes my modem is a Sagem, and strangely enough I thought this might have something to do with the problem at start up because it is a very recently installed  new modem, that is the reason I asked about connecting automatically when Windows Started and whether I should disconnect before closing down !     I've noted what you say about the USB connected items and shall check that tomorrow.

HP  I shall also look at the tool your recommend tomorrow  - I'm going to be busy tomorrow aren't I   ;D   ....   however I am nervous about some of these handy little programmes as I don't really know what I'm doing ( as if you hadn't already gathered that   ::)  )  and I'm always afraid that I may delete the wrong thing and  then I'd vanish into cyberspace oblivion  :'(   


Thanks to all for your input.  I shall keep you 'posted'  :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on March 19, 2009, 11:08:32 PM
Hi

because it is a very recently installed  new modem

As a matter of interest what was your old modem ? was that a sagem ?.

Regards Jeff

Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 07:35:19 AM
It would appear that the "adildr.sys" error is related to your Sagem modem.

As a first step, I would unplug the modem from the usb port, uninstall all the associated software and drivers for that device.......reboot, install again and then plug modem back in.

Worth a try to see what happens... :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 20, 2009, 08:58:20 AM
Agree 100% with "Tufty", delving into the registry should be a last resort.
After doing any removals I'd also run a standard reputable Registry Cleaner. Personally I prefer to use Microsoft's own at: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm
(run a full service scan, choose "customize" and just run the registry scan, it's quite quick)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 09:05:22 AM
Jeff   ... yes, my old modem was a Sagem as well   :)


TD...  I've done that  .....  thank you.   

 My biggest worry is this REBOOT message  ...

On my second attempt this morning  to get going, I had black screen with  the Megatrends  Logo  which said  :    Overlocking failed    Press F1 to reconfigure system, Press F2 to load default values and continue.    I opted for F2 and everything set up as normal.     Did I choose the right one  ?  :'( :'(

Does this give any hint as to what might be wrong ?       I'm hoping to be able to spend some time today looking at the links of Exo's and hopefully making sense of it !    I feel a visit to my computer lady coming on ! 


HP   just spotted the red warning that someone was posting  ......  Registry and cleaners make me shudder, but I shall have a look at your link later  ...   Many thanks once again. 
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 09:10:24 AM
>>>TD...  I've done that  .....  thank you.   <<<<

Has that resolved that particular problem...?

As to the overlocking thing, I think you did the right thing.
Now may be the time to get your hands dirty.

Unplug your PC from the power and open your case. Then clear the CMOS from the jumpers.
Consult your motherboards manual to see how to clear your CMOS. Most motherboard oyu have to change the jumper settings for a few seconds (From Pins 0 and 1 to 1 and 2) or some you need to add a jumper for a few seconds..

When you have cleared the CMOS boot up your PC and enter the BIOS ( by tapping F1 or F2 during the POST) and load "Fail Safe" settings and save. Then left Windows load properly..
If windows loads successfully you can shutdown and go back into the BIOS and load "Default" settings and save and exit.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 09:30:28 AM
TD  ..    I've just been looking at the Event Viewer  and there are NO  little   x's   .. .     that's good  !!   isn't it  :'(   

BUT   .. there is a yellow warning notice which on clicking I receive this  ...

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013475/ScreenHunter_04%20Mar.%2020%2010.21.jpg)

are all these problems connected  ?  ....  I'm losing the will to live   :D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 20, 2009, 09:35:57 AM
I've just reread this thread from the start and it's quite unusual.
The various problems/symptoms are quite a mixed bag and don't obviously relate to each other.

I'm beginning to wonder if there's an underlying hardware problem, maybe with the motherboard, maybe something not seated properly or a dry joint. Or a faulty BIOS?

If it was my PC I'd be taking the lid off and reseating everything properly for starters. Then doing as suggested and clearing the BIOS and setting it up again; I might even download the latest version and reflash it. :-\
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 09:39:25 AM
Could it be as simple as a dead cmos battery ?
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
HP ..   I'm not confident enough, or knowledgeable enough to go into the innards  :o :o  ....  so I think the best course of action is to take it to my computer lady and see what she can do ......   I wondered about the battery too as TD has said,  (only because I've read that that could be one cause)   ....   if it's that no doubt she will be able to sort that out too  ....

Many thanks to all for your unstinting efforts .....I think the more I twiddle the confused I get, and the more problems I might cause  ......I shall go and see my expert ! 

 :flower: :flower: :flower: :flower:   to all   .... :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 10:39:54 AM
 :fingers:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 20, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
I think the best course of action is to take it to my computer lady and see what she can do
Make sure you tell her all the symptoms and be prepared for the worst.  :(

I have to say that (being in that line of business myself) I would probably start by having a discussion about the cost-effectiveness of trying to fix it (depending on age etc.). But that also depends if she's prepared to look at it on a "no fix, no fee" basis. Personally I probably wouldn't having already seen it once, but I would agree a limit on diagnosis work.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on March 20, 2009, 02:30:14 PM
Hi

Looking on google . doing a search on "adildr.sys" shows the problem going back at least 4 Years . As stated by TD it does mostly seem to be relateed to SAGEM modem . In particular failure to uninstall properly . Did  you uninstall the old one before setting up the new one ?. It might be that there are 2 sets of records in the registry .

I searched  using "adildr.sys+2009"  No quotes

many results this is one

http://www.techsupportforum.com/networking-forum/modems-cable-dsl-satellite/53935-event-id-7000-broadband.html
Many others might give a clue to your expert .

Have you tried a registry cleaner ?
I use" Eusing Free Registry Cleaner" you can run it . It presents a list of problems found . you do not have to take action if you don't want to but  it might pin point the problem . It can be set to create a back up of the registry settings .

Regards Jeff
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 02:44:16 PM
Thanks HP   !!!   :(     ;D     fingers crossed   !! :'(

Jeff,   Yes I did uninstall the old Sagem before installing the new  ...   I haven't tried a registry cleaner   :o :o    Ooooo they scare me a little  !!!   but I might just give one a whirl to see what is what and at least I could give the report to my lady  .....   thank you.

I won't have time to sort all this out immediately,  BUT as soon as I have anything to report  ....    good or bad ! I shall.     Thank you all again !


PS  In order to prevent any more Reboot error messages  for the moment I shall leave the whole system switched on permanently ....!! ;)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 03:29:34 PM
Oh my goodness  !! :o   I have just run the Eusing Free Registry Cleaner  .... just to see what is what and I can't believe that it tells me there are 2396 problems selected for repair . ..  should I just throw in the towel now  ;D       

I shan't post a full list but I can give you a rough idea of what is involved ...

Invalid File or Folder                                  100's of these
Software Location Issue                             5
Invalid Help File                                           2
Missing Shared Dlls                                     LOTS of these
Missing Start up Progs                                 4
Add Remove Prog Issues                            20 approx
Unused File extensions                               3 dozen  approx
Custom control issues                                      ditto
Obsolete Software key                                   30 approx
ActiveX issues                                                     ditto
Missing MRU History List files                               ditto
Installer Reference Issue                                    LOTS
Open With application issues                                15 approx
Windows Server Issue                                           1
Old Start Menu Key                                              LOTS
Missing Short cut Ref                                               ditto
Missing Sound fle                                                     1


I feel like a mother who has neglected her child   :( :o        Do I repair ALL of these  ??   and does this tell you anything (other than I'm in a pickle ?)    I am SO sorry to put all this on here but I really don't know what to do before calling in the " troops ".... :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
Unplug your PC from the power and open your case. Then clear the CMOS from the jumpers.
Consult your motherboards manual to see how to clear your CMOS. Most motherboard oyu have to change the jumper settings for a few seconds (From Pins 0 and 1 to 1 and 2) or some you need to add a jumper for a few seconds..

When you have cleared the CMOS boot up your PC and enter the BIOS ( by tapping F1 or F2 during the POST) and load "Fail Safe" settings and save. Then left Windows load properly..
If windows loads successfully you can shutdown and go back into the BIOS and load "Default" settings and save and exit.


TD ...    SORRY,  I've only just seen this part of your message   ....  I've not done this yet  ....scaredy       cat  :)     I've found my motherboard manual and am now reading it (for the first time ever !!) to  see if I can tie in your advice with the manual .....  :)         

With the book and your notes TD  I think I could do this   ...  can I do any irreparable damage if I follow all the instructions to the letter    ??    This sounds ridiculous I know, but apart from giving it a clean every so often I don't ever go into the innards !                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
For the moment, leave the registry well alone................playing with that program does not "repair" the registry keys...it deletes them.

As to the cmos jumpers, this wee pic. might help.
On the left is the round cemos battery..............to the right of that is a row of three wee pins with a red jumper thingy on them.
Lets call these three wee pins 1, 2 and 3 starting from the left............the red cap is currently on pins 1 and 2.
To reset, take cap off 1 and 2 and put it on 2 and 3 for a minute or so.................then put it back onto 1 and 2.

Should be job done.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m34/bunessan/cmos_jumper.jpg)


Ooooooo, you are having fun... :no:

 
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: roseway on March 20, 2009, 04:49:22 PM
With many motherboards you need to remove the CMOS battery before moving the jumper over to the 'reset' position. If you don't do that you might do irreparable damage.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
I meant to say that in my above post.

Also, if you are going to go to that length, you may as well put in a new cmos battery at the same time..

But...don't take the old one out and then take it into town to match a new one............identify it, get a new one and then swop old for new. Leaving the thing too long without a battery can again do damage.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on March 20, 2009, 04:57:38 PM
Based on what you've told us already about your skills and confidence I wouldn't do anything yourself. Let your computer expert do it.

I use the Microsoft registry cleaner every now and again to keep my systems "clean" and it finds a quite a few "problems" most times. The worst I've seen it find (not on my system) had well over 1,000 problems so your result doesn't surprise me, several hundred is very common.
I just ran the Eusing registry scan and it found 743 "problems" on my system, which I know is in good condition, whereas the Microsoft scanner found 188.

A lot of this is just harmless debris, so don't panic.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
I'm going to chicken out of all this  :-[  I DO hope you don't think I've wasted your valuable time  ..... I shall visit my lady tomorrow and arrange for her to come to the house... she can then check the modem connection, COSMOS   ;D   batteries, registry and anything else that takes her fancy .... :D   I really do not feel confident   ...   I'm a wuss !!  as you say in the UK  :lol:

Heartfelt thanks to you all  :flower: :flower: 
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 20, 2009, 05:08:33 PM
Good move, scottiesmum.................now, please join unkyUb in the Wuss Corner ( it's just round from the NC so you will know where it is )......... :D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: Floydoid on March 20, 2009, 05:10:09 PM
Do I repair ALL of these  ??   

Yes, Eusing is perfectly safe to trust, but be sure to back up the registry first - Eusing can do this for you.  Once you've done the clear out, give the registry a defragging with this tool:

http://www.registry-clean.net/free-registry-defrag.htm

Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 20, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
Good move, scottiesmum.................now, please join unkyUb in the Wuss Corner ( it's just round from the NC so you will know where it is )......... :D


 :lol: :lol:



Thanks Floydy, but as you see I'm not touching anything   ..... ::)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: Floydoid on March 20, 2009, 05:27:49 PM
Thanks Floydy, but as you see I'm not touching anything   ..... ::)

Up in the North of England i'd be tempted to call you nesh... but I won't.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: UncleUB on March 20, 2009, 05:42:25 PM
Good move, scottiesmum.................now, please join unkyUb in the Wuss Corner ( it's just round from the NC so you will know where it is )......... :D

Charming  :lol:

Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on March 20, 2009, 06:49:09 PM
Hi

if you have had PC for a long time and never cleaned the registry then I am not surprised . It all depends on how many changes you have done . Many of these are just minor faults that clutter up the database . I have used this cleaner and never found a problem . You can select which Items need to be cleaned up .You can also select what to search for .So for example if you wanted you could ignore MRU objects . or you could take the step by step route and look at each group in turn say missing short cuts  .  But if you are unsure then let your expert have a look and no doubt she will be able to advise you best.   :graduate:

Regards Jeff :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 20, 2009, 09:10:46 PM
With reference to Eusing, I would trust the errors it finds and fix them. It will not resolve your current problems but will clean up a lot of erroneous entries. It is not unusual to have a lot of errors in the registry..........just the way Windows operates.  These errors do not normally cause a problem.............just a bloated registry.

Any result for the BIOS boot order check? Any loss of settings may indicate a failing motherboard battery as I mentioned in my first post.

Have you tried disabling your ADSL modem  starting with Windows?
Does the problem persist when manually opening and closing?

Unless your computer lady is offering her services free, it hardly seems worth the expense just for these minor errors but the choice is yours and how confident you feel.

If this is a recent problem regarding the adildr message, have you tried a system restore point.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 09:45:36 AM
Hello  again Exo  !   I am sorry, I thought I'd posted the BIOS info I had eventually found  ...  but I see I didn't  .. apologies !       When I looked at the BIOS in the first instance, I found the Boot Device Priority, which I assume is what Boot Order is  .....  and it listed only 2 items   !!!  as follows :

1st Boot Device         1st Floppy Drive
2nd   "      "                SS LITE-ON CD RW

No mention of HD  ..  which I knew was very strange because I'd seen the link you gave and it showed a typical Boot Order on there ......    last night having read your last post, I did a System Restore back to the 7th March, the day following the installation of the new Modem.   This went through fine.   I then rebooted without any problem at all  !

I then switched off, rebooted and went into the BIOS again, this time  the Boot Device Priority was as follows ;

1st Boot Device         1st Floppy Drive
2nd  "                         PM -HDS    etc.
3rd  "      "                SS LITE-ON CD RW

SO now I have three in the list  ...  but I'm not sure they are  in the correct order.       

I've looked at the Event Viewer this morning and there are no more red x's giving the adildr message.     I have disabled the ADSL auto connect function, it's no hardship to click on connect !

This appears to have sorted out the starting up situation,and from reading everyone's input, is it likely that the Motherboard battery is the problem ? having read your comment about loss of settings, it would appear from the two Boot Order entries above that I had lost a very important setting.

It's very kind of you to consider my computer lady's charges, but they very reasonable and not really an issue.  I would however rather try and sort things out myself, but as I have said I'm not too confident about the innards .. but perhaps I should twiddle a bit and then build up some confidence.  Your comment about them being minor errors cheered me up no end Exo  :)

I haven't touched the registry following  the Eusing results, but as you think I should trust them, and if you are still of that opinion after reading this, I will venture forward and do that.

As you may have gathered the system started up this morning without any hitch or message at all   :)

I 'd be grateful for your thoughts on the above.   Many thanks. 

 

Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on March 21, 2009, 10:16:23 AM
HI

Great news  :clap: :clap:

regards Jeff
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 21, 2009, 10:21:00 AM
 :clap: :dance:

I think you've done it, scottiesmum... ;D

I would still change the cmos battery, just to be on the safe side.  :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: roseway on March 21, 2009, 10:23:52 AM
Perseverance pays off! :clap2: :congrats:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
Thank you for the  :clap2:    ..... but I think that should all  be directed at the people on here who offered help.    :)

    Your suggestion to replace the battery TD leads me to another question  ::)   how do I know which to buy ?   is there anywhere on the  system where it would be listed OR is it just a case of taking the old one out and asking for one the same ..   no doubt my CL will have them, but just thought it if I went with the info she'd think I knew what I was talking about  ;D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on March 21, 2009, 10:41:57 AM
Don't take the old one out and then go somewhere to match it...........you don't want to leave the mobo without a battery for any length of time.
Look at the existing one in situ and jot down the detail on it........then get the new one, then replace, old out new in without delay.

The standard is a CR2023 3Volt lithium, but it may vary mobo by mobo
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: UncleUB on March 21, 2009, 10:48:24 AM
Quote
Your suggestion to replace the batter TD leads me to another question

Is my fish not up to scratch.............. :lol:

Only joking Kate,well done   :thumbs: :congrats:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
 :D  can't think what you mean Unc  >:D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: Floydoid on March 21, 2009, 11:54:42 AM
Kate this mobo picture shows you what the standard CR2032 battery looks like (amongst other things).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/Floydoid/motherboard.jpg)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 12:36:42 PM
Thanks very much for  that Floydy    ... I know where to look now  :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: Floydoid on March 21, 2009, 12:38:55 PM
Over here the batteries cost about a couple of quid - so I would guess that you shouldn't be paying more than a couple of euros for one.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 21, 2009, 07:06:03 PM
Hi Kate, as I mentioned earlier, use Eusing to clean up the registry.
To be ultra safe, create a system restore point first and the option to use the Eusing Backup facility.

In relation to the boot order, this is controlled by the BIOS software and has nothing to do with XP or whatever O/S you are using. Whilst the two may communicate to some degree on boot up, the XP system restore will have no influence on the boot order. Any changes made to the boot order has to be saved to take effect. This is normally done by pressing the F10 key and confirming the save. Any loss of the saved settings may indicate a failing motherboard battery. This is normally associated with loss of time and date settings or a default to a previous date in the distant past. Excluding a faulty motherboard battery, the fact that your hard drive was missing but later returned to the boot order may indicate a possible hard drive problem or just a dodgy bootup. Far to early to make any judgment yet so do not be overly concerned unless the problem persists, having replaced the battery.

If you are still unsure about altering and saving the BIOS settings, you can either PM me or continue in this post.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Once again thank you Exo for your input.     Re the loss  time or date settings, I haven't experienced that at all.   

The only thing I'm not sure about now is your reference to the 'saving of the settings'  Now that the three options are shown  Floppy, HD and CD  ...   do I need to go into the BIOS and save those  ?   (I

haven't changed anything myself, they just appeared like that after the system restore) OR do I take it that they are already 'saved'  ?   

I shall keep a close eye on things now and shan't panic   .....  and  I shall do the Eusing clean up, as per your advice.     

I'm very grateful for the time you have taken with this.  :flower:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on March 21, 2009, 08:01:32 PM
Hi Kate, as long as your hard drive is showing as an option in the boot order, then there is no need to change or save the BIOS settings.........just leave them alone for now.  Just odd that it went missing for a short period...............may be a dodgy boot or poor HD connection. Just monitor how things go for the next few days and post back if you get any further problems.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on March 21, 2009, 09:03:41 PM
Will do   ...  and thanks !  :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 12:10:29 PM
update  .....  The other day I had the 'Reboot' message again  ::)  I decided to take the tower to 'my lady' -  plugged in and set up no trouble, BUT of course there were none of the peripheries that I have at home plugged in, ie..  web cam, scanner, modem etc....  After she had spent a while checking several things,   we discussed the cmos battery, but she was of the opinion that this was not the problem.   We discussed possible power surges, but as I have a power surge protector .....   it wasn't that.  Most likely culprit is a USB connection.      I have,  since Monday, discarded the web cam and scanner from the USB ports AND   :fingers: up to now NO problems...... IF I need the web cam I shall just plug it in, likewise for the scanner ... I'm not certain  that this is the problem, but so far so good.   I have switched the computer on and off many times to try it.  We discussed the modem,and she thought it possible that this is the culprit, possibly needing a USB 2 port (mine are all USB 1)  she also thought that perhaps the processor isn't powerful enough for what I have installed .....   but she said to try other options first.  SO  .... for now all is tickety boo.      I hope I haven't tempted fate with this post   :D 
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on April 09, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
You might find it useful to buy and install an external, powered USB hub to connect all USB devices through. Connect it up after the system has booted and unplug after you power off.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: tuftedduck on April 09, 2009, 02:12:26 PM
@ scottiesmum

Hmm.......sorry to see that your problems are not actually resolved, but glad to see that you have found an effective workaround.  :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 02:52:29 PM
Thanks for that HP  .... that is something I'd thought about; now you've mentioned it I shall give it a whirl  :)


I'm happy enough for now TD  .... as long as the thing boots up without any messages  .....  :fingers: :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: roseway on April 09, 2009, 03:08:30 PM
Just to echo what HP said, USB ports are rather delicate things which are not always reliable. Equipment which takes power from the USB port adds extra strain. A powered USB hub removes that strain, and can be expected to be much more reliable.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
Thank you Eric ....

.....  is there any particular Hub that I should be looking for perhaps ?
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: roseway on April 09, 2009, 04:07:29 PM
I've never actually used one (it's one of those things I keep on telling myself I should do :) ) but I would have thought that something like this (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152400) would be fine.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
Thank you Eric ....    now I'm really going to show my technical ignorance here  :blush: ....   not having used one of these before -  I assume that there is  a cable into the power supply and a connecting cable into the computer tower via a USB port  ??      Can I also assume that even though my computer's own USB Ports are USB 1  and this hub is a USB 2  that it won't make any difference, because the exterior power is doing the work  ....   I KNOW this will be obvious to everyone else  ... but I just like to have clarification  ::)     :)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on April 09, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
Hi
I think the only thing is that you will not get the benefit of USB 2 speed but should work OK

some useful tips here
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6122_102-0.html?threadID=55208
Regards Jeff
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: roseway on April 09, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
Yes, what Jeff says is right. The hub is backwards compatible with USB1, so if you plug it into a USB1 port on your computer you'll get USB1 performance from it.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 08:13:59 PM
Thank you both so much   :flower:  ......    wasn't it easier with the quill and parchment   ;D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: jeffbb on April 09, 2009, 08:40:51 PM
Heck of a job catching and plucking the bird :lol:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 09, 2009, 09:33:25 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: exo on April 10, 2009, 08:14:54 PM
Not sure of the connection between the BIOS boot message and items installed on the USB hub.
Problems with a USB hub and its connected devices, usually result in XP not loading or crashing.

Certainly worth disconnecting unnecessary hardware on the USB hub to see if that does help.
Keep us posted in due course.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: indigobanana on April 23, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
USB 1.1 has a lower power output, if you have power hungry USB devices then it might 'max' out the USB 1.1 power supply? Thats just a guess but may be contributing to your problems. I remember another problem plugging in more than a USB wireless mouse on an old upgraded computer, the thing went beserk and kept coming up with hardware errors (never a BSOD though). And just to clarify, some devices are not compatible at all with USB 2.0 (probably due to the different power requirements).

It might be an idea ot buy a USB 2.0 PCI Card and see if that makes any difference
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: oldfogy on April 23, 2009, 01:20:32 PM

I have had this  same on message on a few occasions, not many, but enough to be a nuisance and now worrying me ....  " Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot
media in selected boot device"
       Previously I have 'fixed' this by pressing F8 and starting in Safe Mode then restarting the system.   However, the last time this happened I took the tower to my computer lady, who plugged in, switched on and all was fine !!   It happened again this morning and I couldn't even get the F8 key to get any response, not the usual choice Safe Mode etc; but I did get a blue pane showing the A (floppy) and D (CD) options.    Finally I decided to trick the machine into thinking it had been taken to my computer lady again  ;) by unplugging everything then re-plugging .... and voila !  all started as normal.    This has happened for the last 2 days (previously there has been a considerable time lapse between this occurring) and it's because it has now done it on two consecutive days that I'm beginning to worry.

I have checked  the Event Viewer for possible information, by going to start/Run, typing  eventvwr and then clicking  the Application menu item and looking  for any  X.   I found a couple of X's and clicked on for further information  .....   strangely these  X's appeared the night previous in each case, looking at the time, on close-down...  I then looked at the report which read as follows on each
   (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013475/ScreenHunter_01%20Mar.%2019%2009.40%20(Small).gif.jpg)   the other message is exactly the same except the USB Driver is  e4ldr

I don't know if this has anything to do with the Reboot message or what I need to do if it is, and I'm hoping that someone will be able to explain ...  many, many thanks for any input.  :'(

Just one question on closedown,  my  internet connection    (by ADSL modem)  starts automatically when Windows opens ... should I let this close automatically with Turn Off  OR should I disconnection manually before Turn Off  ?     Again, many thanks.

Sorry for quoting the whole of your original question but thought it may be worth while to do so.
Also for not reading the whole of this thread, so apologies if this has already been mentioned earlier.

Firstly you say it's a tower unit (no problem with that) which I am assuming has USB sockets on the front and rear.

It is quite a common occurance for the rear USB sockets to be 2.x but for the front USB sockets to be 1.x.
So when you took it to your friends, did you also take any device that was plugged into any of the front USB sockets?

If this is the case, then when you get a USB external hub, plug it into one of the sockets on the rear of the PC to maintain your 2.x status on the hub.

**************
edit
Try removing any items that are plugged into the front sockets first (if there are any)
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 23, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Salut OF !    Thank you for taking the trouble to reply  .....    I have removed two items from the USB ports ...  namely the Scanner which was attached via  a front USB and the Web Cam (attached by a rear USB)  since when I have had  NO problems whatsoever with anything !!     My scanner is used very infrequently, and I seem to be using the Web Cam less and less (I find that I telephone people much more than use Skype or Messenger etc.).   So I shall now only plug them in if and when necessary and hope that everything continues to run smoothly !    I still intend to get an external USB hub, but haven't had time yet   ::)     :)   Kate

Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: oldfogy on April 23, 2009, 08:33:55 PM
"Possibly" another cause of the problem may be if you are leaving a Floppy disc or CD/DVD in the drive or even if you have a external removable HDD and your BIOS is set to boot from either of these first.
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 23, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
No external HDD and no discs  in Floppy or CD  drives .....   I'm thinking the problem might be connected to  the Web Cam !!   no real reason but I just have a feeling ! :'(   Anyway it's  no problem at all at the moment because it's unplugged !  ;D
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: HPsauce on April 24, 2009, 12:21:01 AM
buy and install an external, powered USB hub to connect all USB devices through.
2 weeks back!  :P
Title: Re: Reboot message
Post by: scottiesmum on April 24, 2009, 06:08:33 AM
 ;D   I know HP  !     but I have been busy   :D