Kitz Forum
Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: kitz on November 23, 2008, 11:15:51 PM
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Anyone using a STv6 based router - please and on adsl1 or adsl2/2+ , can you please do me a favour.
(or any other router that shows the Bit Allocation Table).
Would you kindly print off your debug exec cmd='tdsl getData all'
I'm looking for bit allocation figures... something Ive just noticed tonight and not sure if its me/my line or a UK specific thing that isnt quite matching up to the text book stuff.. and with me not being on adsl1 or adsl2+ annex_A I cant easily check now and it would be good to get some figures for comparison.
All I want to see is the tone allocations from
'bitalloc start' to 'bitalloc end' showing the tones in use.
TYVM
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Hi Kitz ;)
sorry to sound a bit thick but what's an ST based router ?
I am currently using the Netgear DG834PN Router and if I can help just let me know.
Anne
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Hiyas Anne :)
ST = the Speedtouch based routers.
Thanks for the offer, but Im not sure if the Netgear PNs provide this info or not. However since they are the same chipset as the Voyagers it possibly will show tone allocation but it means telnetting into the shell and not something you can easily get from the router interface. :/
If anyones happy going into the shell on a GT/PN/Gv4 then something like the command 'adsl info --show' or 'adsl info --SNR' may work and show the bin allocation the same as it did on my old router, which had a similar chipset.
However, I dont really want anyone messing in there if there if they're unsure what theyre doing, because Im not 100% certain off the top of my head of the correct command for the netgears.
Thank you very much anyhow for the kind offer to help anyhow - much appreciated :)
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Hiyas Anne :)
ST = the Speedtouch based routers.
Doh ! ??? ..... well it is getting late lols ;D
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Kitz, from my ST546 DMT shows
bitalloc start
tone 0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 6 6
tone 10: 7 7 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
tone 20: 8 7 7 7 6 6 5 4 3 2
tone 30: 0 0 0 6 6 6 7 8 8 8
tone 40: 9 10 11 10 11 12 11 12 13 12
tone 50: 12 13 12 13 12 13 12 13 12 12
tone 60: 12 13 12 13 0 12 12 12 12 12
tone 70: 12 12 12 12 12 12 11 12 11 12
tone 80: 11 11 12 11 12 11 11 11 11 11
tone 90: 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 12 11
tone 100: 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10 11 11
tone 110: 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 10
tone 120: 11 11 11 10 11 10 11 10 11 10
tone 130: 11 10 11 10 10 10 9 11 10 10
tone 140: 11 10 10 10 9 10 10 9 9 9
tone 150: 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 9
tone 160: 6 4 8 9 10 10 9 10 10 9
tone 170: 10 9 9 6 9 9 10 10 10 9
tone 180: 10 10 10 10 8 10 8 10 7 10
tone 190: 9 10 9 9 8 8 8 7 6 5
tone 200: 0 2 5 6 7 8 8 7 8 9
tone 210: 8 5 8 9 9 3 9 9 9 6
tone 220: 9 9 9 9 9 8 9 9 9 8
tone 230: 7 6 5 8 6 8 5 8 8 9
tone 240: 9 9 9 8 4 8 8 8 8 8
tone 250: 8 7
bitalloc end
Will this help?
Tony
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Thats wonderful - thanks tony. :)
Exactly the info I was looking for.
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DG834GT :
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1023 Kbps, Downstream rate = 18636 Kbps
Tone number Bit Allocation
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1 0
2 0
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Thank ye kindly :)
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Another DG834GT if you want it, with latest DGTeam firmware (if relevant):
# adsl info --Bits
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 1382 Kbps, Downstream rate = 20330 Kbps
Tone# Bit Allocation
0 0
1 0
2 0
3 0
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 7
8 9
9 11
10 13
11 13
12 14
13 15
14 15
15 15
16 15
17 15
18 15
19 15
20 15
21 15
22 15
23 15
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28 14
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101 2
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Thanks everyone - that seems to confirm my suspicions that assignment of the bins can vary depending upon dslam/msan configuration.
BTw (and UKO) start at bin 6, whilst Be start at bin 7, and the guard bands can also differ, which is probably why my own frequency range is a bit out from the text book stuff.
I'd started to do a page based on the explanation I just blurbed out to HP the other day and just wanted to check facts before I put anything up on the main site.
Since Be also put a block on some of the higher frequencies 476-499 it seems its Be that does 'their own thang' when it comes to their MSANs
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Thanks everyone - that seems to confirm my suspicions that assignment of the bins can vary depending upon dslam/msan configuration.
BTw (and UKO) start at bin 6, whilst Be start at bin 7, and the guard bands can also differ, which is probably why my own frequency range is a bit out from the text book stuff.
I'd started to do a page based on the explanation I just blurbed out to HP the other day and just wanted to check facts before I put anything up on the main site.
Since Be also put a block on some of the higher frequencies 476-499 it seems its Be that does 'their own thang' when it comes to their MSANs
They also use the higher bins as they are testing the 4wire capabilties on the 52mb DSLAMs in conjunction with Billion.
Leo
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>> 52mb DSLAMs
Is that VDSL that theyre testing then?
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Yes.
I was talkimng to Milton about it and thats what he told me. They are utilising the higher frequencies to give you faster speeds and disbaling the bins they cant use to give more stabiltiy.
There are a couple of chips that work well. Broadcom not so much, the new infineon has issues and most common now is the Conexant Sophos Chip which does seems to work.
Leo
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I think I could get you some figures as I have a BT HomeHub running ST Firmware on a Sky Connection. :)
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>> Sky Connection
That would be interesting too... as it would appear that at lot of the assigning of bins is down to the dslam/msan manufacturer.
Well truth is I now know it does. Although Ive previously seen 'stuff' written down, it was my observation that my own connection varied from the 'supposed to'. Ive since come across a document guideline for setting up dslams whereby it can be down to the manufacturer when it comes to the guard band(s) that they use as long as 1 certain bin isnt used for eg. in 32 and masks can also be applied either side.
I'm a bit like that sometimes if something deviates from something and I want to know why. I also wanted to make sure I had my facts right.