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Broadband Related => ADSL Issues => Topic started by: Darryl on November 13, 2008, 06:51:22 PM
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Firsly hi to everyone here and thanks for taking the time to look at me topic and any help is really appreciated!
I have not been in this house for long and after looking at the wiring it seems outdated compared to me old home. Im not very familar with wiring but after around 2 days after work googling im not exacly clueless. My first ever time opening up a port to remove the 3rd wire after reading about it shot my sync speed from 2mb to 4mb it hasnt increased the speed yet tho still at 1.5mb.
As to the wiring i see no master port in this house there are 3 extenstion ports down stairs which i removed the 3rd wire from all to get the speed up, i have tho noticed that from the pole the line comes in through the side of my at the top of the stairs to a small box people call it a junction box? I opended her to see that the line comes in to A+B then 2+5 for the extension stuff down stairs.
Im currently connecting a filter into the extension port where one goes through the Monster surge protector then to me router there is also a extension plugged into the filter and it goes round me desk for the Sky.
Now in the other room i connect another filter and my wireless phone + Sky are plugged into it.
If you guys wear in me shoes what setup would you try and do? By the way i want my wiring done to the best possible standard i dont mind on the costs to a certain extent ofcourse, basically i want my wiring done the Mike Homes way ;)
Thanks for any help that you provide,
Darryl
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Hi and welcome
The first thing I have to say is that, if you haven't got an NTE5 type of master socket, then all your telephone wiring belongs to BT and you shouldn't really touch it. If you want your wiring done to the best possible standard, then you should pay BT to fit an NTE5. This isn't actually very expensive - the current BT price list (http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Exch_Lines_boo/0002_d0e63.htm#0002-d0e63) shows the cost as £29.38 (look near the bottom of the page).
After that, the best thing to do is to fit a filtered faceplate to the new master socket and connect the router directly to that. Actually, BT might do this for you when they fit the NTE5. A bacon buttie bribe might be required. :)
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Hi Roseway, so leave the junction box the way it is and have BT to install one of them boxes in my lounge? And would BT replace the wire between the junction to where my room is if so would they use good stuff or?
I also read that people had one of those boxes replace the junction and then had another master in downstairs with filterface plate?
Thanks Darryl
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the line comes in to A+B then 2+5 for the extension stuff
That sounds like it might be an NTE5A..... :-\
Have a look here to identify it: http://www.buzzhost.co.uk/nte5.php
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Its as small as a matchbox with a screw in the middle of it and says 80a foa 82 or something like that on the back of it with a t in cirlce on the frount of it.
Thanks Darryl
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80a foa 82
AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!! >:D >:D >:D
Like this inside? http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/images/phone/BT80A_RF2.jpg
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Is it really that bad :D
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Probably. Check this page to confirm exactly what it is please.
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/btsockets.htm
If it's just a plain 80A that's fine, the RF2 variant is very nasty. >:D
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It looks like this one mate BT80A
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If it's the simple 80A that's fine, sorry to panic you but there have been a couple of people with BT80a RF2's killing the speed.
So definitely no black electronic components inside it?
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No mate just A+B+E screw things and below that are the a+b+e for extenstion. So i should just leave that the way it is and have a master in my lounge?
Thanks Darryl
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Why not, but beware what you might get charged - get it all agreed up front.
Is there definitely no master socket at all, not even the old type?
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>> If it's just a plain 80A that's fine, the RF2 variant is very nasty.
lmao... I nearly had a fit then... kinda like buses isnt it? Theres never one for ages then a load of them all come at once. :lol:
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If you have a BT80A, then thats ok. If you want an NTE5 fitting, then the request you need to make to BT is master socket normalisation. The price roseway pointed out is correct.. although sometimes I believe if theyre not already working in or on the premises, there may be an additional call out fee. You will need to check with your TelCo provider, how much normalisation will cost you.
You cant actually swap the old LJU2 socket for an NTE5 yourself. This is a BIG NO. There is only one way that you can legally install an NTE5 yourself and thats shown at the bottom of this page http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm
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>> Is there definitely no master socket at all, not even the old type?
There should be one somewhere - theyre not that easily identifiable without opening up the box. It will be the LJU2 that has the ring capacitor in
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Fadsl%2Fimages%2Fphone%2Fcomponents.png&hash=cc41e472dd4da140d56a2e04eb9209c747d74369)
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I just reopended the passage port and yes it looks like that one you posted there
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So i should just leave the junction box the way it is and have the line between the junction and my room changed along with a master in my room with a good filtered face place?
Thanks Darryl
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No, you already have a master.
Any chance you can post diagrams:
1. As it is now, showing what's connected to what (the wires) and what's plugged in.
2. What you want working where and what can be removed or disconnected.
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Junction box and 1 extension that i do not use
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| Up stairs
Passage is the master which isnt in use
My room where the router and sky is plugged in
Room next to me is the wireless phone and sky
Would there be any point paying to replace anything outside where the line comes in into the junction like the line bit and the box itself?
And same for the wire from junction to my room where i want the master is there a point in upgrading that wire to better quality wire for my broadband?
Thanks for the comments guys :)
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Sorry if I missed something but Ive read the thread several times trying to understand your layout.
Do I have this correct.
Drop Wire --------> Connector (BT80A) -----> LJU2 Master
(Top of stairs) (Paggage)
LJU2 Slave ------> adsl filter -----> Router
(Your room) -----> Sky
LJU2 Slave ------> adsl filter -----> Phone
(Lounge) -----> Sky
What I cant figure out is
- 1) Which extension comes from the master socket first or if they are spurred (both coming off the master.
- 2). For the lounge are you using a BT doubler plug to feed both the sky and phone?
- 3). Because I dont know the layout of your home.. whether you need a new NTe5a master relocated (say in the passage or in your room or lounge) and which will be the extension(s). Normalisation is just replacing the existing LJU2 master with an NTE5a
>> Would there be any point paying to replace anything outside where the line comes in into the junction like the line bit and the box itself?
This is a relocation of the master socket. my parents recently had this done, but iirc it cost them well over £100 with BT, you can ask for 'NTE5a normalisation' at the same time.
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We do need a"proper" diagram. ;)
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Yes that is exacly the setup at the moment, i dont mind paying to change it all because this is going to be my home now for a very long time.
As for wiring i want the master in my room along with 1 extension to the lounge, so what could BT do for me as far as back from the master to the junction etc and how much roughly are we talking about to get it all done?
Cheers guys Darryl
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TBH I think you may be best asking BT how much they are going to charge for something like moving the master socket and installing a nte5.
The prices do sometimes seem to vary, but I should imagine it would be somewhere around the 100-150 region to get BT to do it :(
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To be honest im not gonna be working in the next month or so for a month so money is gonna be really tight im either just gonna leave it alone for now.
If i was gonna do it myself can anyone recommend which wire to use and nte etc?
Thanks Darryl
Edit. Post edited for legal reasons.
dave
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There is a legal way to fit an NTE5A, detailed on Kitz main site.
BT really don't like you to do it otherwise and you could end up with a big bill for "rectification".
It looks like you need mainly to rationalise the wiring, removing unwanted extensions etc.
Now who knows which sockets were wired in by you and which by BT? Do they all use the same type of cable?
If during that process the current master socket got "accidentally swapped" to a different, more convenient, extension back-box who would know? :-X
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I think ill have someone do it and if ever they ask it was like that when i moved in, how much would they charge me tho for touching them out of interest?
And should i leave the junction box the way it is or can i change that to improve things?
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You cant touch the junction box at all. Okay you could perhaps just take a quick peep inside to make sure all the wires are connected properly, but thats about it.
The way to do a legal NTE5 installation and all the other stuff you can do is outlined on the page - Improve your broadband speed.
(http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm)
A new NTE5 off the top of my head is about £10, an adsl filtered faceplate about £16, then there's possibly stuff like new cable and a IDC tool if needed.
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So what cable what you recommend me to use m8 and which faceplate and stuff
Thanks
Darryl
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CW1308 is proper twisted phone cable.
ADSLnation sell all you'll ever need.
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So if i use Pro+ cable from junction to a nte in my room along with one of their face plates (which one btw does it matter?) along with Pro+ to an extenstion in other room?
Thanks
Darryl
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If you were looking to do this yourself then go for the legal addition of an nte5 as per Kitz's link. dosconnect any old extention wiring from the original nte but be carefull to note which pair is your "lead-in" (the pair that feeds the nte with your dial tone).
Ant extention wiring can run from whatever face plate you have running from the new nte5. If your using an dsl-ssfp (the broadband face plate) but the site of the nte5 is inconvinient for your position of your router/pc then ther are 2 ways round this.
A data extention kit, Han't seen these on sale but esentialy a cat5 style cable with a plug to fit in the dsl output of the face plate which then can lead to a socket with the relavent connector so you can plug your router by its lead that originaly went into the micro filter.
or plug the router via the face plate and get a long ethernet to run from the router to the pc if your not utilising a wireless signal.
or a 3rd option get a very long version of the lead that runs between the filter and router.
all other extention wiring for the phones wil be seperate, the dsl ssfp will seperate any issues from this wiring from your dsl signal
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I want the master upgraded and moved from the passage to my room and i know its illegal to do yourself but as i said before i wont be working for a month and 100-200 pound or whatever it maybe for BT to do is way out of the question... And i wanna basically redo all of this house wiring to future proof myself for when i can get higher speeds.
Thats why i said in previous post could i do it that way or maybe is there a better way?
Thanks
Darryl
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One quick question, when you mention the nte is in a passage, it this an area which other occupants have access to so there is a security issue ?
If thats the case then an nte5b is what you looking for, identical to the type a but the face plate has no socket to plug into. the wiring comes off the back of the face plate into an extention somewhere in order to get service.
Some times fitted in a shared accomodation situation or sometimes if the line is dedicated for an alarm and the company paying for the line dosn;t want any one in the comecial property inadvetently using their line for normal calls
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No mate i mean in my hallway entrace of my home and it isnt an nte its a really old master that kitz posted previously and i want it moved and upgraded to nte in my house along with the rest of the cable bein ripped out and replace with pro+ cable.
Reason is the wiring is old and i wanna be ready for when the faster broadband speeds come available next year... So i want my wiring the best possible quality, so like i said before is that the best possible setup or can i use something else or upgrade anything else?
Thanks,
Darryl
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You should leave the old Master on the end of the line and take your wiring, NTE5A, extension cables etc. from there legally as described by Kitz.
People do move master sockets of course for all sorts of reasons, though they shouldn't, and as long as it's done properly (safely etc.) and BT can't really tell (reusing and rerouting their cables for example) well........ ;)
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So i better not use pro+ wire cause they will notice that i did myself and use CW1308 instead? Are there any differences betweem them?