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Internet => Web Browsing & Email => Topic started by: oldfogy on November 09, 2008, 01:32:02 AM
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Help,,,,,,,,,, please.
Can anyone please try these 2 sites to see if they open for you.
I have not been able to access either of them for a couple of days now,
Although they are sites I visit very regularly.
This site "Instantly" gives me a message saying:
"Internet explorer cannot open the Internet site.... connection aborted".
Now the funny part (well not that funny)
This problem happens on 2 of my XP PC's (IE6) but have just discovered this site opens on the Vista PC (IE7)
http://www.cdcovers.cc/covers (http://www.cdcovers.cc/covers)
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This site just never seems to find the site on either XP or Vista.
But not too bothered about this one, although it is a useful site for Media chat.
http://www.thedemonsden.com (http://www.thedemonsden.com)
Thanks, it will be very much appreciated to see if they open for you.
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I've just tried those sites in Firefox 2 and IE 6 (these are the versions of the browsers on the laptop I'm using at the moment!) and get much the same results as you. In IE6 the cdcovers.cc site gives the "operation aborted" message, yet the site works fine in Firefox.
Presumably the site has been tested on IE7 and not on IE6.
I couldn't get the second site to open in either browser, it must be having issues tonight :)
*edit* guess I (and you?) wasn't patient enough! I've just noticed the site has now loaded in both browsers! Didn't notice WHEN it loaded, but it's now loaded! Just clicked on a link and it took 30 seconds to give me a page, so perhaps it's on a bit of a go-slow.
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he's
peed drunk ^^
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:lol: so are you :P
NC for you... I saw what you typed originally, before the word censor changed it :police:
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1. Presumably the site has been tested on IE7 and not on IE6.
2. I couldn't get the second site to open in either browser, it must be having issues tonight :)
3. *edit* guess I (and you?) wasn't patient enough!
4. it took 30 seconds to give me a page, so perhaps it's on a bit of a go-slow.
1. For years, "The first site" has always worked okay with IE6
2. No it's been slow dead for a number of days now.
3. I have on occasions waited anything between 10/15 minutes until eventually I gave up.
4. Yippee at least that one has now started to open. It "would not" 10 minutes ago.
Thanks, at least I know it's not my PC (bug that I can't find) been looking for 3 days.
I even "just" re-ghosted the PC back to April but still the same problem, I thought it may of been something to do with SP3, but no.
Still it's given me the opportunity to reinstall only the programs that I need again and get rid of any rubbish lying around.
So, thanks again for your effort.
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>> he's peed ^^
Wish I was, but took the pledge a few years ago in favour of keeping my driving licence. :lol:
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>> 1. For years, "The first site" has always worked okay with IE6
They may have changed something on the site, even if not immediately apparent? I've seen that message happen with IE7 occasionally, but I attributed it to the Skype plugin (as this modifies the page to make phone numbers clickable). Skype's not installed on this laptop, and I'm not suggesting that's the issue, but it seems under certain circumstances, IE will abort the rendering of a page in this rather unceremonious manner!
>> 3. I have on occasions waited anything between 10/15 minutes until eventually I gave up.
Like I say, I couldn't tell you how long I waited for an initial response from the site, as I simply didn't notice it appearing until I looked down at the taskbar and noticed IE was displaying the page title in the taskbar button!
>> So, thanks again for your effort.
:)
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>> 1. For years, "The first site" has always worked okay with IE6
They may have changed something on the site, even if not immediately apparent? I've seen that message happen with IE7 occasionally, but I attributed it to the Skype plugin (as this modifies the page to make phone numbers clickable). Skype's not installed on this laptop, and I'm not suggesting that's the issue, but it seems under certain circumstances, IE will abort the rendering of a page in this rather unceremonious manner!
>> So, thanks again for your effort.
:)
I don't think "they" have skype, but I do, although even since re-ghosting it's not been activated.
Actually when I said 10/15 minutes I may well have been underestimating that.
But we'll just have to wait and see what transpires.
Thanks again Chris .. & Kitz.
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OF, just tried both those sites using FF3.CD covers loaded instantly and the other took about 15 seconds.
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I just tried them with FF3 on Linux. The first site half loaded then seemed to stick while displaying the message "Transferring data from www.google-analytics.com" which hadn't completed after two minutes. The second site loaded after about 15 seconds (like Unc).
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Both sites work for me on XPSP3 + Firefox 3.
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oops... sorry about the above - I did try and delete it, but another person thought it was funny and re-instated it. (hence the weird symbol by the post)
It was one of those "funny at the time moments" having heard chris's response when it did eventually load after 10 mins.
2 bottles of wine and vodka.. when youre supposed to be on a coding session doesnt help.. Somehow we didnt get that much coding done either and the project got abandoned as being too hard. :blush:
Wonder why ???
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OK on FF3 and IE7
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OK on FF3 and IE7
ditto :)
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I think there is a record with the title of "Why does it happen to me" out there somewhere, because I'm still not having any luck with either of them again today, at least not on this PC with either XP SP2 or SP3 with IE6)
But I can at least access CDcovers through my Vista PC so all is not lost.
Unfortunately I can't use IE7 on his PC as it interferes with another program I use a lot.
(MusicMatch JukeBox, as mentioned on another thread).
I don't know why, because it's not a internet program, but thats life I suppose.
Thanks to everyone for trying and I'll leave it at that now and have to see if it sorts itself out.
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I'm wondering if it's a DNS issue... Kitz recommended this to me a while back, and it works pretty darned good:
http://www.opendns.com/
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Seems strange that you can access them on a vista PC and not on an XP machine - something like that could normally perhaps point to an MTU issue, but iirc youre on cable which doesnt seem to suffer MTU problems as much as adsl. - nor are any of those sites blocking ICMP which makes it highly unlikely it is an MTU problem.
What happens if you try performing a tracert (http://www.kitz.co.uk/tute/tracert.htm) on demonsden.com
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Floyd
Thanks for the info, not promising but will take a look at it later.
But as it's only these 2 sites, I don't want to start loading more software. (Hope you understand)
Kitz.
I have done the tracert, but it means nothing to me, although I have posted the results here and also tried to interpret them from your link, (I'm thick) please don't go to too much trouble as I'm sure the problem will resolve itself at some stage, especially as it's not just me.
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\Phil>tracert www.thedemonsden.com
Tracing route to www.thedemonsden.com [74.208.129.116]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 77-98-28-170.cable.ubr05.perr.blueyonder.co.uk [77.98.28.170]
2 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.76.0.1
3 9 ms 10 ms 10 ms osr01perr-v15.network.virginmedia.net [62.30.193.227]
4 10 ms 8 ms 12 ms perr-t3core-1a-ge-010-0.network.virginmedia.net[80.0.176.69]
5 13 ms 13 ms 15 ms man-bb-a-as1-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.175.181]
6 17 ms 19 ms 20 ms bre-bb-b-so-300-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.198]
7 22 ms 20 ms 18 ms telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.185.74]
8 15 ms 16 ms 18 ms te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.69]
9 * * 16 ms te4-3.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.3.189]
10 64 ms 15 ms 15 ms te3-1.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.26]
11 24 ms 25 ms 22 ms te4-2.ccr01.ams03.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.97]
12 106 ms 107 ms 105 ms te3-8.mpd01.ymq02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.0.70]
13 114 ms 113 ms 114 ms te3-7.mpd01.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.213]
14 117 ms 115 ms 119 ms te3-2.mpd02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.18]
15 128 ms 129 ms 133 ms te3-1.ccr02.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.202]
16 128 ms 127 ms 127 ms 38.104.86.42
17 129 ms 130 ms 141 ms te-1-1.bb-a.slr.lxa.us.oneandone.net [74.208.1.65]
18 133 ms 139 ms 137 ms te-1-2.gw-dists-r5-a.slr.lxa.oneandone.net [74.208.1.115]
19 132 ms 136 ms 137 ms vl-987.gw-ps4.slr.lxa.oneandone.net [74.208.1.136]
20 132 ms 130 ms 128 ms perfora.net [74.208.129.116]
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Phil>
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OF, it actually doesn't involve installing anything, all you are doing is re-configuring your DNS client.
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hmm just wanted to make sure you could actually route ok to the demonsnet server.. which you can.
Theres nothing in there which implies any problems at all with data packets traversing between you and their server. The time is very acceptable too.
Judging from that trace it should all be working ok.
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OF, it actually doesn't involve installing anything, all you are doing is re-configuring your DNS client.
I though DNS was just an abbreviation for "Do Not Swear". (Sorry only joking) but it's way over my PC knowledge, so will stay with what I can understand (Teaching an Old Dog new tricks etc) :no:
Kitz.
Thanks for that, I tried it again a few minutes ago and still no joy.
As with my previous comment (post) and also the one here above to Floyd, hopefully it will sort itself out soon.
So until then, I thank you all for the input, but will have to drop it for now and wait and see what happens.
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lol - Im laughing here.... because Im sure floydy said something very similar when I first told him about OpenDNS. :lol:
It really is very easy... as Floydy will now testify to. I think he was amazed that such a simple thing could make such a big difference to his connection.
Though TBH OF, although I thought it was the problem for Floydy, I dont think it is with yours because your lookup on the trace you did was fine.
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It really is very easy... as Floydy will now testify to. I think he was amazed that such a simple thing could make such a big difference to his connection.
If you don't mind I would like to come back to this DNS settings, mainly because even in general for a long time I don't think some pages open anywhere near as fast as they should or possibly use to.
Actually things seem worse since being upgraded to 10Mb.
Obviously I'll take a look around the site first, but it's not going to be for a couple of days.
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Just a update on this problem. I just managed to get onto the site and found the following post.
As many of you know, the forum has had up and down performance issues for a little over a week. The host has had some internal network problems.
I have been in daily contact with the support staff to remedy this slowdown. They are very aware of the problem and working on a permanent solution.
It has been an aggravation to everyone I am sure, it certainly has been to me.
I ask everyone to remain patient as they repair this problem. It does not just affect this forum, but several thousand websites. The support staff has been courteous and has remained in constant contact with me every day, and I am sure it will be resolved soon.
Thank you for understanding.
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edit - Update: 11 Nov 2008
Unfortunately this problem seems be be getting worse.
The number of sites not being able to connect too has now even extended to VNU (although the CA site is ok) and also Mgmcc site is a no no too.
I know at least 2 people from those sites comes onto here (KA, & Dave).
So thats the reason for not replying to any posts.
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Phil,
I've just been onto Mike's site using FF3 and also the VNU site which I normally use instead of CA and both open fine.
Just checking using IE 7
Edit.
All 3, CA & VNU and Mike's all opened OK in IE7
Using XP Pro with SP3.
Cannot think of what to suggest.
Sorry Phil.
dave
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Cannot think of what to suggest.
When I did briefly manage to get onto The demons den, this message was also on there.
.... It does not just affect this forum, but several thousand websites.
But since then it has got worse.
I normally access through VNU, but tried CA out of curiosity and found that one worked.
I've tried most things that I can think of with my PC's (XP SP2 & 3 IE6, Vista IE7)
So don't know what to do except watch more TV (which is doing my head in)
Although I'm going to try disabling my router firewall AND PC firewall to see if that helps.
Failing that, I intend to contact VM to see if they have any idea's because also when trying a speed test earlier this evening, my DL speed is only half what it should be.
PM received, thanks.
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Just to let you know I have opened all sites mentioned Phil without problems ..... I'm using IE 7 on Vista home premium.
Hope you can get to the bottom of this .. must be really peeving you off! :-\
Anne r
EDIT:
I did find this ... http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/08/fix-internet-explorer-7-with-sitemeter.html
is that the error you see? Could this be the cause? ???
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Tried VNU again and that's now opening, but none of the others.
Even tried disabling the firewalls (router etc) but still no good either.
I think it's time just to play a waiting game. :comp:
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Anne r
Yes, on the Cdcovers site.
The other site/s just eventually time out with the usual "Page not found" message.
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I have had problems with one site in the past, and I fixed it by resetting my router.
Common factors are:
Your router
Your ISP's server/proxy
Your broadband line
The web sites involved (although this is looking unlikely because it's not all that are affected)
Your ISP's DNS lookup tables
If resetting the router doesn't fix it, see if you can get a trouble ticket raised by your ISP.
On the Open DNS thing, there was an interesting link in another topic here (See Open DNS Privacy).
http://www.sciencetext.com/opendns-redux.html
There's a very good tutorial about using Open DNS here: http://www.opendns.com/support/videos/getstarted/
If the problem is your ISP's DNS servers, this will prove it.
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Goonster just posted this on C/A, don't know whether it might apply?
http://forums.computeractive.co.uk/thread.jspa?threadID=145871&tstart=0
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Thanks Dave will take a look in the "very near future"
But to many other people "world-wide" are suffering the same problem so it can't really be just an isolated problem with only me.
Fudgem
I am still using AVG, so no it can't be the same Avast problem, but thanks all the same.
Update:
Thedemonsden site seems to be okay at the moment, but it is "now" effecting the Photobucket site.
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I have to try and type quickly as I seem to have developed a "NEW" problem, my monitors power keeps going off leaving me with a blank screen, although I am pretty sure it is a problem with the "Powerdown" adaptor.
"I just need it to happen again so I can check it properly"
Never rains but it pours :rain: :lol:
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Greetings OF,
I haven't noticed any browsing problems recently.
Your original 2 sites load OK, and no problem with any of our usual forums.
I've got IE7, XP SP3, Avast Free & ZA Pro.
Although IE7 causes you problems with other software, I suppose you could try upgrading to IE7 to see if it makes any difference.
Then roll back to IE6.
Good Luck ... if you don't like TV, what about listening to Chopin ... very soothing. ;D
Spit
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Thanks Spit,
I had thought about trying IE7 (but forgot) with everything thats going on.
It's probably time to just play the waiting game and see what eventually happens.
Although since my original problem with IE7 and MusicMatch Jukebox (MMJ), MMJ has since ceased trading as it was taken over by ?? so now the audio track auto naming feature does not function, so it may just be time to say goodbye to it anyway, shame really because it is/was such a good program, there are similar programs around but not as good.
Think I'll pass on Chopin ... very soothing, and stick with "Deff Leopard"
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Hi OF,
I stuck with IE6 for a long time after IE7 emerged.
When I found that all the pre-loaded videos suddenly failed to load for no apparent reason, I then upgraded to IE7.
This fixed the DRM problem ... and all was well again.
I'd give it a try ... at least you'll then know.
Spit
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Phil I have just had that message appear on one of the sites I was loading ... Computing.net ...... the site was more or less loaded but still said in bottom lower left "I Item remaining, downloading picute ... etc etc" .... the spinning circle that vista uses is still spinning away trying to load .. I guess it will time out in a bit.
The link I posted over the page (I think .... If I read it correctly last night) suggested this is being caused by sites that use those "counters" to keep a count of visitors ??
EDIT;
I just closed the page of computing.net and reloaded it from the google search results where I initially loaded it from ..... it worked fine ??
I guess we both can't be suddenly having problems with our routers or pc's settings.
Btw, I am using IE7 on Vista SP1
Anne r
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@Anne and Spit, we don't see enough of you both round here.
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Well I took the plunge "reluctantly" and installed IE7 with XP SP3
"Thanks for the prompt Spit"
And practically all the sites are now accessible again.
But I still think it's a waiting game because some people are still having problems no matter what system they are using.
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/me waves @ anne + spit :)
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You're right Floydoid ..... I will try to get my butt in here more often .. promise ;D
Yoo hoo Kitz ! :) (Anne waves back @ Kitz)
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/me waves @ anne + spit :)
Greetings kitz,
Spit returns your wave :clap:
I agree with my pal Anne ... I must visit more often ... it's nice here ... and I've missed you. :-[
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/me waves @ anne + spit :)
Don't wave to loudly.
Have been trying since 11PM to get onto this site.
Honest I am now going to give up for a couple of days as one minute it works then the next it's gone again.
Although I might try will stick with IE7 for a bit, regardless of it's other problem.
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>> Have been trying since 11PM to get onto this site.
oooh no.... :'(
btw OF are you sure its not a DNS problem. Once youre actually at the site are you ok?
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Yes now I'm here there is no problem accessing anything or refreshing pages.
ALL prevouse troublesome sites have also stopped working again at the moment also.
> btw OF are you sure its not a DNS problem
No not sure as I have not looked into that yet, but am going to NOW.
(If I can find the post that Dave & Floyd posted some info in)
Just need to check my recent emails to find it.
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Yes now I'm here there is no problem accessing anything or refreshing pages.
That does sound like a DNS problem to quote something I've said elsewhere
I cant remember if we explained this before - but Im sure youre using OpenDNS as a backup DNS server anyhow.
All DNS is - is think of it like the phone book for the internet, thats used by say your web browser.
When you type www.abc.com into your web browser.. DNS looks up the IP address so your browser can go to to 123.456.78.90
If DNS is down it doesnt stop you using the internet - it just stops you being able to "look up" any new numbers.
DNS is cached for a short period of time by your browser, and it remembers the IP number and doesnt have to look it up again.
Think of it like this.. if you cant find the phone book to look up your friends phone no then youre a bit stuck. But if you already know the number you can still phone him.
By using OpenDNS, your simply using 'another phone book' just in case your ISPs one goes down.
>>> (If I can find the post that Floyd posted some info in)
was it this one? - linky (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=1747.msg58850#msg58850).
The url for opendns is https://www.opendns.com/smb/start/computer/
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Yes thanks Kitz, Floyd or and Dave (to heck with it Thanks everyone)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I need to upgrade the router firmware to be able to proceed, but guess what?
I Downloaded the firmware upgrade, but it will not install, it eventually times out saying "no internet connection" (when I know for a fact there is) but am now going back to try another DL to see if that one works.
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You dont need to upgrade your router?
You just need to put OpenDNS in your PC
For xp :- https://www.opendns.com/smb/start/device/windows-xp
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opendns.com%2Fimg%2Fstart_win6.gif&hash=0790184147f0768d3d6e32f852f93593d7728228)
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You just need to put OpenDNS in your PC
Is that all I need to do, because at the next step it says:
Oops, you aren't using OpenDNS yet. Go back to Step 1 to set up OpenDNS.
I feel like I'm going round in circles.
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Phil, watch the video in the link I gave you - it shows how to set it up.
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Oops, you aren't using OpenDNS yet. Go back to Step 1 to set up OpenDNS.
I just seen that - that page is very confusing... it tells me the same, but I use OpenDNS.
That page is if you want to sign up for an OPenDNS account (which I havent). You can still use the OpenDNS servers without having to sign up.
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Last night I input the DNS codes into windows and also into the "Manual Setup" configuration of the router.
(Netgear614 v6), and everything was much much better.
Then just come on and things are relatively back to playing up, some sites open that would not open before and visa-versa and some don't "Mgmcc and VNU are two that will not open"
One strange thing I did notice was, the last few days when I switched on Skype, it used to take forever to go on-line and no initial connection sound, but now it connects "instantly" and the connection sound.
I also opened uTorrent last night and that had seemed to have improved also since inputting the DNS codes.
Is this a ISP problem. On one of the earlier links that is what was implied, but that page was also 2 years old and also involved Virgin Media (as they are now known as)
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I'm honestly not sure OF.
If youre now using OpenDNS, then it could be Virgins routing. Ive heard this morning that TD who also uses Virgin is having problems accessing this site now too :'(
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Ive heard this morning that TD who also uses Virgin is having problems accessing this site now too :'(
Yes I spotted that.
Apart from possibly doing everybody's head in with this "world-wide" problem, I am going to leave it alone for a while.
I have to go into hospital next week for minor surgery on my shoulder, only for 24 hours though, to have my partially frozen shoulder sorted. "Socket cleaned out because of Calcium build-up"
So will probably leave it until then (if I can type that is)
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Its a bit mysterious how it sometimes allows some sites.. but at other times it wont. Then you cant access sites you could previously.
The most obvious causes are either Routing, DNS or MTU.
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I've noticed that the BBC site has had bouts of being painfully slow at loading in recent days... could it be that the whole of the internet is not very well at the moment?
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... could it be that the whole of the internet is not very well at the moment?
I think that is the main problem.
There has been too many people complaining for it to be a localised incident.
Hence the reason I think it's time just to sit back and wait a while. (thats if I can)
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Bet it turns out to be a dying network router somewhere.
Complaints to the ISP (Virgin) should get them investigating.
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Well I think it has now been resolved but not the way I wanted though.
I tried IE7 but with it causing other programs to not work or not work properly (MM JukeBox & NetLimiter v1.3) that was not good enough.
I have now installed FireFox3.x (FF) and the main I needed, plus other sites I wanted access to are now opening as they should do.
So for the moment I will use FF to access that site and keep IE6 for whatever else is needed, until possibly not needing it at all "although I do know some sites require IE, such as MS updates".
Although not really getting to the bottom of why these sites stopped working I think it's time to call time on this topic.
But thanks to every-one for their input which has been much appreciated.
Phil
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Just an aside.
I thought the other day the problem may have been found because my modem stopped working all-together, so a night by the TV was then going to be the order of the night.
Turned on the TV and the cable box was not working either, so called VM who came out the next day, unfortunately it turned out to be a broken connection in their roadside box.
So nothing to do with the modem as I had thought earlier.