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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: blue166 on June 14, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
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Hi all,
Question for you. I have been following the work going on in my area and finally appear to have FTTP installed locally now. Been seeing the work going on for several weeks.
OR have installed a new pole just behind my house to the side. Current copper comes up through a duct in the ground at front of house.
Now when checking DSL Checker and looking at the FTTP notes further down it mentions that the property will be served by Overhead pole at rear of property.
Will this be the new poll that currently have a CBT on it running to the existing pole further down the side road?
Is this correct or database error as the existing copper comes up out the ground at the front of property. No overhead cable at all on my street as all UG.
Will OR really change delivery to my property now from the rear pole and not look to use UG Feed?
I don't mind if it's straight forward enough but a little confused.
Thanks in advance.
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Without knowing your infrastructure layout, it's hard to give a definite answer .... but there are two types of underground feed to premises ....
1) Direct in Ground (DiG) cable, this cable has a steel wire armour wrapped around it for protection and back in the 60's and 70's they tended to use this stuff on the then new houses being erected. The cable was basically led on the ground and the streets and houses built on top of it.
2) Ducted feeds, the feed of choice for the last 30yrs or so .... basically a hollow tube connecting up the infrastructure from underground box to underground box and finally to the outside of the premises.
If your copper feed is No.1, then the surveyor will have probably quite rightly used civils/cost reduction techniques and opted for what are called 'Carrier Poles' to get the fibre cables overhead from point A to point B.
The mandatory Reg 5 notice will have been sent into the Council for their approval, and also a statement of intent affixed at the site of any new poles to be erected, giving residents 28 days notice to complain.
If the residents do not want the poles, then the high likelihood is that the build would be shelved for now as 'high cost', and picked up at a later date with a higher-funded FTTP programme.
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Well option 1 that you mention would make sense. The property is a late 60s build and I guess the cable coming up at the front of the house might give the impression that it is coming in via a front UG Feed when in fact it is coming in from behind us UG.
So if this pole remains in place this is the new feed I guess then. It would mean if all ok that the cable would need running down the side and around the front of the property for entry the same as current copper (I would prefer this entry point). I guess that would be ok?
Interesting what you learn along the way.
I also know I have one of those 3 cover man hole things only a few meters away at the front of my house slightly to side. I always thought they played a part in my connection. When I seen the guy in there all day last week with fibre cable I thought I bet this must run to the property. Guess I was very wrong.
I am tempted to try and upgrade my 80/20 FTTC connection since it shows Ultrafast available. Have been with BT since 2013. Only thing is I know if have to not take a landline if I want to use own RTAC86U Asus Router. Mind you I really don't require a landline at this time. Just an ornament. Shame to lose the number though.
Many thanks.
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You could port the number to a VOIP provider there shouldn’t be much cost other than the porting fee then you have the number to use easily.
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The mandatory Reg 5 notice will have been sent into the Council for their approval, and also a statement of intent affixed at the site of any new poles to be erected, giving residents 28 days notice to complain.
Of course, they may have fitted that statement like this. ::)
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You could port the number to a VOIP provider there shouldn’t be much cost other than the porting fee then you have the number to use easily.
I've heard stories of BT closing people's account when trying to port a landline to VOIP. Would that mess a FTTP upgrade up? How does that work?
Thanks.
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When you port a number it shuts down the copper service and obviously the FTTC service, but when you have your FTTP service it won’t effect that.
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Plusnet are now allowing existing customers to upgrade from xDSL to FTTP, however like EE they have no digital voice and the phone line and xDSL service are closed in the process. Understandably many are not happy, others not so bothered.
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The safe route is to order a new FTTP service. When established you can port the number and that closes the original service.
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O don't know whether to be bothered by keeping a landline or not right now. I'm going back and forwards in my head over it.
Part of me is like just let it go and get a new number later on down the road with a VOIP provider if need be.
The biggest issue is just staying with BT and not wanting to use there router which is the only way you can use there VOIP service. My preference is still to use my ASUS RTAC86u.
Uhmm...
You guys make some valid points. Just got to figure out if a landline means much to me at this current time.
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Mind you I really don't require a landline at this time. Just an ornament. Shame to lose the number though.
Just got to figure out if a landline means much to me at this current time.
If you are thinking this, ditch it, you will feel liberated once gone, removing the landline/dect phone clutter from the house, etc. I was in similar position, 3 months before my FTTP install, couldn't decide if I still needed landline, decided I wouldn't need it with FTTP. Anyone who still called landline number during the three months before FTTP install, was advised to call mobiles in household.
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If you are thinking this, ditch it, you will feel liberated once gone, removing the landline/dect phone clutter from the house, etc. I was in similar position, 3 months before my FTTP install, couldn't decide if I still needed landline, decided I wouldn't need it with FTTP. Anyone who still called landline number during the three months before FTTP install, was advised to call mobiles in household.
I think you have helped make up my mind. I will look to ditch it at this time. If I ever go for VOIP down the road I will look to a service that works with any old router and take the hit on a new number. For now mobiles are more than enough for contact.
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My wife has had our phone number for 15 years and it’s a fairly easy one (repetitive digits). She was reluctant to get rid of it but nowadays is open to having VoIP client when the time comes. The only people who ring are - her mum, and they both have unlimited minute mobiles
And various people trying to find the local chippy/surgery/skip place…..
I’ll be glad to see the back of it. I don’t think I’ve placed a call on it for years.
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I always preferred to use landline, I find it really hard to tell what people are saying over the cell network, the landline is much clearer. VoIP should also have that benefit though. Honestly mobile should be better, but it doesn't seem to use HD Voice from mobile to landline calls.
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If you are at home, enable 'WiFi calling' on your mobile, ie avoid the mobile network if you are getting poor call quality.
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it doesn't seem to use HD Voice from mobile to landline calls.
It never will, landline is the low denominator there.
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Right then. *UPDATE*
I went through a new contract term with BT and it turns out when I asked the lady about the landline and getting ready to ditch it, she said it will be free and not £5 a month. I explained I was planning on ditching it, but once she said free and it won't effect my billing I said I will just sit on it then and consider moving to a VOIP provider sometime down the road. She advised not to attempt that during a contract term as sometimes services it ceases them entirely.
I'm happy to just disconnect it for now and forget about it. I didn't want to pay for something that sits like an ornament. But happy to sit on it if no cost.
Hopefully that will be ok.
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The issue there is there's no way to migrate a bundled BT landline number without it ceasing the broadband.
If you do that later down the line then you will need to do it when changing providers or go through the motions of reactivating the line after it has ceased.
IMO when upgrading from FTTC to FTTP is the perfect time to unbundle the 2.
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Its a silly situation Openreach have left people in. You'd think they would have organised something to have ISPs split their services in preparation for this, or least allow them to do so at migration time without cost. They never seem to have procedures in place for when things happen.
It reminds me of when I had Digital Region for broadband, when that company ceased it took ages to get the tag off the line so I could order broadband again as unbundled at the cabinet was "not a thing they were prepared for" so the automated systems didn't work, and nobody seemed able to do it manually.
I have landline with BT and Broadband with Zen, I'm still a little worried they will somehow mess that up even though the services are already technically independent of each other so Zen moving the broadband over to FTTP in theory wont touch the landline as it should presumably be re-provisioned on a new ID.
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The issue there is there's no way to migrate a bundled BT landline number without it ceasing the broadband.
If you do that later down the line then you will need to do it when changing providers or go through the motions of reactivating the line after it has ceased.
IMO when upgrading from FTTC to FTTP is the perfect time to unbundle the 2.
Yeah, I see what you are saying. It's such a silly system.
Well I'm going to just pack the house phone up and put it in a drawer somewhere and pretend I don't have a landline. I shall inform people to only contact us via mobile.
The most annoying thing here is all because they force you to use there router with digital voice. If it was a case that I could buy a VOIP phone and use it with my ASUS Router and that was my BT number still there would be no issue. I just don't know with these services sometimes.
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Its a silly situation Openreach have left people in. You'd think they would have organised something to have ISPs split their services in preparation for this, or least allow them to do so at migration time without cost. They never seem to have procedures in place for when things happen.
Openreach introduced a service to deal with it a number of years ago. It's called WLR renumber with export or something like that.
It's just the big providers choose not to offer the service to customers.
I'm sure that once the number is no longer WLR then Openreach aren't involved. BT buy stand alone broadband from Openreach/BT Wholesale, they bundle their own VOIP service and it's BT that choose to cease the broadband when migrating the landline away
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IMO when upgrading from FTTC to FTTP is the perfect time to unbundle the 2.
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The most annoying thing here is all because they force you to use there router with digital voice. If it was a case that I could buy a VOIP phone and use it with my ASUS Router and that was my BT number still there would be no issue. I just don't know with these services sometimes.
See above.
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I agree fully with the above. I will probably just sit on landline while not costing and decide at the end of this deal if I want to port it away and go through all of that.
I am going to treat the landline in the meantime as if we don't have one.
Another question around a "1 Stage" install if that is the case as DSL Checker states. And going back to the earlier post about the existing UG being a direct bury from the late 60s and infact it will be delivered by this pole at the rear side of property just recently installed.
Will the install all be done at same time? Or will they bundle up a run of cable at the pole before hand? I take it no one will try and gain access to my side of property or front/back before the install date to carry out any work?
All new to me so just trying to make sure I know the ins and outs as best as possible.
Thanks all.
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Another question around a "1 Stage" install if that is the case as DSL Checker states. And going back to the earlier post about the existing UG being a direct bury from the late 60s and infact it will be delivered by this pole at the rear side of property just recently installed.
My sister-in-law had a recent FTTP install, row of terraced houses where the original POTS was distributed from a JB, wall mounted at the front of the middle house with the respective house lines run along the eves, quite a common distribution method.
However, in this case, OR opted for FTTP fibre arial distribution at the rear of the houses from a newly erected pole/CBT.
So yes, OR fibre installation methods can vary dependant on the local logistics.
In my area, with existing POTS DIG installations, OR seem to opt for a completely new fibre run from the footway CBT chamber/toby box across the garden to a new entry point on the front wall, or where there is existing POTS cable ducting which may be partially blocked, this is broken into as near the dwelling as possible, fibre extracted, direct buried and run to the new designated entry point.
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Another question...
Do Openreach carry various styles of dropwire brackets or just the one sort? A bit random I know. 😀