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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: skyeci on May 08, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
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I have asked zen to cease the copper line when my fttp is installed. Will it be removed from the house at the same time or can I ask for it to be removed? The nte has been in the worst place so I am hoping the engineer will install the new ont to the location of my choice.
We are fed from underground duct and the dp chamber is one door down.
Thanks
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Mine were ceased but nothing was removed. I think that’s the norm.
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I moved to FTTP in March but opted to retain my land line, going digital voice.
The LL number digital voice migration did take place on the day about an hour after the BB FTTP was activated and the FTTC BB went off.
Funny enough, I still have an old analogue phone connected to the copper LL and to this day, some 7 weeks later it still has a dial tone!
Checking with 17070 advises of a circuit number, not my original LL number, which by sequence is on my local exchange, unable to dial out and ringing this number gives unobtainable tone!
So to answer your question, no, the copper LL, certainly in my area is not physically disconnected/removed, my POTS is/was UG DIG supply.
My rather long recent FTTP migration saga is here which you may find informative.
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26792.msg449417.html#msg449417
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I have asked zen to cease the copper line when my fttp is installed. Will it be removed from the house at the same time or can I ask for it to be removed? The nte has been in the worst place so I am hoping the engineer will install the new ont to the location of my choice.
We are fed from underground duct and the dp chamber is one door down.
Thanks
The ONT can be sited where it suits you - within reason. My installation has external cabling from the ug duct which then enters the house at the location I choose.
The copper cabling was left untouched.
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I should have said my experience was similar the engineer asked where I wanted it and was really helpful in doing a very neat job.
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I had a similar experience where my stuff fed overhead was installed where I wanted. My copper was removed as I was asked if I wanted it yo remain but said no.
Stuart
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The general rule for ONT location is anywhere reasonable that you choose as long as it is within 10m of the fibre entry point. Some engineers will be flexible and install it a little further, most subcontractors won't.
There exists a chargeable advanced install trial that extends the 10m to 100m if what you want is well beyond 10m of the entry point.
The installation engineer will usually remove the copper circuit if you ask them to. If you don't ask them they usually leave it in place. You could be running other services over it or plan to in the future.
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Thanks for the comments.
I hope the engineer will be happy to run the cable from the duct round the side of the house and into the front of the garage where my cabinet is. The hole is already present and it can't be much more than about 25 foot of cable at ground floor level from the point of the duct to the place where I would like it.....hope this will be ok
I had to run cat 5e from the current nte to the garage some years ago which looks awful and looking forward to removing that once the new ont is up and running as there was no other option due to the poor location of the nte..
Install booked on the 17th May. Will miss my munin/eci line stats so that's going to be hard to give up ;D
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There will be no problem with that kind of distance ... and having a pre-drilled hole is like somebody buying you a pint, to an engineer.
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There will be no problem with that kind of distance ... and having a pre-drilled hole is like somebody buying you a pint, to an engineer.
;D the hole had a piece of conduit through it originally so it's pretty large. What sort of diameter is required if you don't mind me asking...
Thanks
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having a pre-drilled hole is like somebody buying you a pint, to an engineer.
nahnahnah, that's a sunday dinner mate
What sort of diameter is required
Inch wide is grand, just make sure there are no hard 90 degree turns in it as that can kink the fibre during the pull which will either damage the cable, affecting your service, or completely break it which will add a few complications to say the least
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Ok thanks. Upon checking its about a 25mm hole.
I assume there will still be the csp box right at the front of the house where the duct comes up from the ground with the copper cable presently.
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I assume there will still be the csp box right at the front of the house where the duct comes up from the ground with the copper cable presently.
From what you have described, I will say "yes".
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Cheers. Looking forward to finally being free from that pesky eci cab -you know the one I mean ::)
So the cable from the csp to the garage-anyone clarify the diameter of the cable. Have made a gap under the step at the front so it can run neatly out of sight
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Cheers. Looking forward to finally being free from that pesky eci cab -you know the one I mean ::)
Yes, indeed.
So the cable from the csp to the garage-anyone clarify the diameter of the cable. Have made a gap under the step at the front so it can run neatly out of sight
I have a vague memory of reading that the "EZ BEND" cable having a 5mm diameter outer sheath. Perhaps other forum members will be able to confirm, please?
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5mm? More like 0.5cm.LOL.
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:shrug2: I've been asleep since typing that!
What we need is someone with calipers and some cable to measure. :)
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5mm? More like 0.5cm.LOL.
outer sheath
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An SC/APC connector is approximately 9mm at its widest point. The cable I was (am) thinking about is the "inside out", which run from the ONT out to the CSP. I'm sure it is similar in diameter to a Cat5e Ethernet cable . . .
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An SC/APC connector is approximately 9mm at its widest point. The cable I was (am) thinking about is the "inside out", which run from the ONT out to the CSP. I'm sure it is similar in diameter to a Cat5e Ethernet cable . . .
Thanks for the Info. If its similar to cat5e that's even better for looks with the boss!
I will measure it anyway once its in with my calipers ;)
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I'm sure Black Sheep will be able to quote the appropriate dimension when he next passes this way.
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I'm sure Black Sheep will be able to quote the appropriate dimension when he next passes this way.
He's here .... ;)
4.8mm diameter
Indoor/outdoor rated
Cables contain one 250um Invisilight EZ Bend, or two encapsulated fibres
EZ Bend is compliant with G.657.B3 - fully splice compatible with outstanding macro bending performance.
100lb pull strength - is 4 x recommended pull strength of Cat 5 cables
LSOH jacket meets CPR Euro class DCa-s1, EN 13501-6
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outer sheath
Yep. About 5mm outer sheath. Which is 0.5cm.
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He's here .... ;)
Thank you. :)
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Yep. About 5mm outer sheath. Which is 0.5cm.
Seems I can't even do basic maths any more.
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Cheers. Looking forward to finally being free from that pesky eci cab -you know the one I mean ::)
No, no I do not
So the cable from the csp to the garage-anyone clarify the diameter of the cable. Have made a gap under the step at the front so it can run neatly out of sight
As I says, 8mm.
The rats tail/pig tail/ripcord/in-out cable (Depending on who you talk to) is from the ONT out to the CSP. Any internal run has to have it's black outer layer stripped off due to fire safety, reduces diameter to around 5mm
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The rats tail/pig tail/ripcord/in-out cable (Depending on who you talk to) is from the ONT out to the CSP. Any internal run has to have it's black outer layer stripped off due to fire safety, reduces diameter to around 5mm
As its run inside-out with the connector already on, how do you remove it?
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The rats tail/pig tail/ripcord/in-out cable (Depending on who you talk to) is from the ONT out to the CSP. Any internal run has to have it's black outer layer stripped off due to fire safety, reduces diameter to around 5mm
Sorry but I take Reply #21 (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,27003.msg452945.html#msg452945) as the definitive data source for the currently deployed EZ Bend inside-out cable, of which I was referring.
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I'm thinking of upgrading my FTTC to FTTP now that AAISP are offering the full range of speeds. Initially, my line came into the house by the front door but, around 20 years ago, I had it moved to my upstairs study when I had ISDN installed. The current line is now routed around the side of the house at just above ground level and then up the wall into my study. It comes from the street via an underground duct (rodded and roped).
Would you expect any issues having the fibre routed in the same way? House is a small detached, so no great distances involved.
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Would you expect any issues having the fibre routed in the same way? House is a small detached, so no great distances involved.
From what you have described I wouldn't expect there to be a problem.
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Well I am pleased to report openreach have been and installed my fttp in the location I wanted so that was brilliant, its now in the garage along with all my kit. The only issue was the there was no light at the cbt initially but that was quickly resolved.
I have my router going through one 16 port switch. This is my initial speed tests from a wired pc located elsewhere in the house so any comments appreciated
(https://www.thinkbroadband.com/_assets/speedtest/button/1652786394637445955-mini.png)
I do have one issue to think about and could do with some advice please.
My office is on a single cat5e run from the main switch. With the pc connected directly to the socket the download speeds are where they should be but if I use my 8 port switch as I have a number of devices in there on lan connections the speeds drop to around half of the direct connection. Would it help to upgrade the office switch to a better model as its a cheap 8 port? The main switch is a good quality 16 port model.
Many thanks
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That's not right, even a cheap switch should have zero impact on the speed. Have you tried different ports on the switch to see if one has become defective?
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Hi Alex
I haven't tried that but I will try this out later and see if I can improve things. It drops back to about 450 through the cheap 8 port (i9 pc etc)
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My office is on a single cat5e run from the main switch. With the pc connected directly to the socket the download speeds are where they should be but if I use my 8 port switch as I have a number of devices in there on lan connections the speeds drop to around half of the direct connection. Would it help to upgrade the office switch to a better model as its a cheap 8 port?
That's a bit odd. A temporary substitution, for testing purposes, might be worthwhile.
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Have done a number of tests...
At my opnsense router it's about 922/110
Main switch about the same
ground floor switch (8 port cheapy) seems ok generally. I did see a couple of dips on the tbbx1 element down to 600. Multi tests always over 900
The top floor segment seems about the same with an occasional dip when running a speed test on the tbbx1 element(tbb speed tester). I am not seeing any loss of speed on either 8 port switches om mutli thread tests, over 900
Any thoughts on why the tbbx1 speed tests would fall back - is this a bit of congestion perhaps?...
Just curious to understand.
I dont think I have any issues on my lan as the multi tests seem very quick. Ookla always reporting over 900 on their test across any hard wired device/switch etc
Thanks
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Should perhaps also swap out cable for elimination purposes. Do buy very highly rated over-the-top cable as the small price premium is worth it not to have any hassles. Is any ethernet cable by any chance running parallel to any mains?
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Hi Weaver.
Been away trying a couple of different things purely out of interest. I will never use all the speed fttp is throwing at me , my son might though ;D
Anyway I tried replacing a section of cat5e structured cabling with cat6 between my main switch and asus wifi point (non wifi 6) as this required no ladders or new hole drilling. I would say its about a 20m run. I also replaced the section that goes from my qotom to the main switch with cat6. New cat6 patch leads fitted. My phone (s10) was maxing out at around 450/110 using the speedtest app on 5e.Since doing the changes the phone reports around 600/110 consistently. Tbb single thread speed test element has also improved. Worth noting the asus wifi point passes through one of the cheapy 8 port switches.
Spurred on by this I decided to replace all my hardwired 5e lines with cat6 which I have been doing recently and installed a cat6 patch panel. Cat6 is so much thicker than 5e. Had some fun trying not to bend it too much as most of my lines run externally.
My i9 pc definitely gets a better ping time and better tbb speed test results than the 5e. I left the 5e in place to this machine just for testing as its on the furthest point of my network.
I'm pleased with the results so it was definetly worth the effort. Probably overkill but I just wanted to see if I could improve the results. Bad 5e or my wiring of it who knows but fitting the cat6 seems to have done the trick for now.
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I assume you used external rated CAT6? Would be annoying to have to replace it again if weather destroys it.
Definitely an odd one on latency though, I wouldn't expect even bad cable to have a measurable difference.
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Yup. Good quality external for sure. It doesn't like bending one bit :D
Loving the speed and no issues with Zen so far. Hardly spoke to them on vdsl so hopefully fttp will be the same