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Broadband Related => FTTP Rollout => Topic started by: dee.jay on March 07, 2022, 07:05:50 PM
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So just reading that our MP met with Openreach last week, and was informed that 87,000 homes and businesses will have access to FTTP by the end of this year, £30m investment.
Happy days
:fingers: :)
Guess I won’t bother with an FTTPoD order now. Even better.
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Worth noting, you might want to consider putting pfSense on bare-metal before then. Seen a fair few people claiming the latency is lower and throughput a lot higher than in a VM.
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That's not true for me now, I realised passing through the NIC resolved it and now have the same latency as if it was running bare metal.
I am using a recent Intel i350 quad port adaptor though, via ESXi (with an older i7 6700)
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The early surveying work ,in Bridgend County at least, has started already. Last week 4-5 Openreach vans were parked in my street and half a dozen OR workmen were rodding the ducts looking for blockages and pulling blue ropes through them. They said that FTTP is being installed in our area but couldn't give a date for it at this stage.
I was surprised to see them prepping my area for FTTP so soon (I'm on the Maesteg exchange), I would have thought that they would have done Bridgend Town or Port Talbot first.
Does anyone know how long it typically takes to go from this early stage to being able to order a fibre install. My current ISP contract is almost up and I'm wondering if I should have a new contract lasting just 12 months rather than 18 or 24 months.
Thanks.
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There is no "typical" for FTTP, could take a month or two, could take a year. Though I'd certainly hope not the latter, its not unheard of.
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I was surprised to see them prepping my area for FTTP so soon (I'm on the Maesteg exchange), I would have thought that they would have done Bridgend Town or Port Talbot first.
Thanks.
Maesteg looks to be 2/3 'manual survey complete' stage, with approx 1/3 left to be surveyed.
It sounds like you lie within the 2/3 terrencem, especially if work has started such as the 'Test, Rod & Rope' work you mention below.
If that is the case, a typical turnaround for Openreach to build the PON (120 premises maximum per PON, usually) ... is approximately 10 weeks. There are many, many variables that can alter this forecast, but I'd say it's around 70-80% accurate.
There is then a a period of dwell time with the service providers once Openreach hand the PON over as 'Customer Ready For Service'. Trying to give exact dates is like trying to work out what is going on in Putin's head.
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Black Sheep, sorry to ask you directly but do you have any information on the Aberkenfig exchange? That is where I am.
There are streets around me that have had FTTP for some time, but I'm torn about going FTTPoD
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The early surveying work ,in Bridgend County at least, has started already. Last week 4-5 Openreach vans were parked in my street and half a dozen OR workmen were rodding the ducts looking for blockages and pulling blue ropes through them. They said that FTTP is being installed in our area but couldn't give a date for it at this stage.
I was surprised to see them prepping my area for FTTP so soon (I'm on the Maesteg exchange), I would have thought that they would have done Bridgend Town or Port Talbot first.
Does anyone know how long it typically takes to go from this early stage to being able to order a fibre install. My current ISP contract is almost up and I'm wondering if I should have a new contract lasting just 12 months rather than 18 or 24 months.
Thanks.
There are a few areas in Bridgend that have Virgin Media - maybe they aren't rushing to go do Bridgend town as quickly because of that.
Not sure, I'm speculating admittedly.
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If that is the case, a typical turnaround for Openreach to build the PON (120 premises maximum per PON, usually) ... is approximately 10 weeks. There are many, many variables that can alter this forecast, but I'd say it's around 70-80% accurate.
Thanks for that.
That's quite a bit faster than I would have expected. I'll go for 12 month contract rather than a 18 or 24 month one or get one where I can change to a FTTP product without penalty.
I'd be interested in FTTP more for the reliability aspect rather than the speed, thanks to vectoring being enabled on my cab I can get about 55mbps, but a couple of years ago I had a nightmare 6 months where I would be getting up to a dozen or more resyncs a day. It took about ten engineer visits to find and fix it.
Again, Thanks for the reply.
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Black Sheep, sorry to ask you directly but do you have any information on the Aberkenfig exchange? That is where I am.
There are streets around me that have had FTTP for some time, but I'm torn about going FTTPoD
Not a problem, will have a look when I'm back in tomorrow mate.
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Thank you, sir. That is much appreciated!
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Black Sheep, sorry to ask you directly but do you have any information on the Aberkenfig exchange? That is where I am.
There are streets around me that have had FTTP for some time, but I'm torn about going FTTPoD
Hi mate - similar reply to a PM I've replied to earlier today on here - you are in the same boat as myself at the moment I'm afraid, only 'New sites', 'Retro New Sites' and 'LFFN' projects have FTTP in Aberkenfig. Nothing in place as yet, for the remainder of premises that I have sight of.
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Damn. Oh well, thanks for looking!
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Damn. Oh well, thanks for looking!
It might me worthwhile putting your postcode into the netomnia checker (https://www.netomnia.com/).
According the this news item on ispreview.co.uk on December 2nd, they are rolling out their own FTTP network. Just in Bridgend town at first but eventually the whole of Bridgend county.
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Yeah tried my postcode and "not in your area".
I did come to a final decision on FTTPoD - can't justify it - so will simply wait until it's rolled out.
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I actually reached out to YouFibre: -
I've just checked some details with our build team, and at present your address is still in the planning stages. Which means that unfortunately I can't give a clear answer as to whether or not we will be expanding into your address after the work is completed in Bridgend. I'm sure you probably know but there are lots of moving parts in laying the network and while Netomnia are still planning their roll out it could be a variable amount of time before the work is completed.
What I would suggest however is if you have registered your interest on the website, we will notify you once we are at the actual building stage in the area. At which point we can give a much clearer idea of when you will be ready to place an order.
Sorry as this is probably not what you wanted to hear but rest assured we are certainly interested in getting you ready for service as soon as possible.
Keep on waiting then
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So, tracking bidb.uk - Netomnia (YouFibre) have been gradually moving north through Bridgend with roadworks.
On the road behind my house: -
install FW6 chamber in footway, linking ducts to existing BT chamber
And this there are a few of these heading towards the exchange.
I take it this is good news? :)
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And this morning whilst out shopping spotted a Netomnia van about half a mile or so from where I live. That would definitely be on the same exchange as me - so yes looks like it’s on the way.
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Lots of Bridgend already RFS and lots almost there, PM me your postcode if you want and i'll see what I can see
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I take it this is good news? :)
Yes, indeed.
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An update on FTTP progress on the Maesteg exchange. Lots of digging and duct laying, a couple of contractors fixed a 'pole bend' on the pole outside my house just this afternoon. I've also seen a few CBT's going up on poles.
One strange thing I have noticed, looking at bidb.uk , there is lots of activity planned for Llangynwyd (where I am), Cwmfelin, Garth and Maesteg itself, but nothing north of Maesteg.
This is odd as Nantyffyllon and Caerau are on the Maesteg exchange. Is it possible that the area south of Maesteg will have FTTP available and enabled first or will there be a delay while the area north of the town gets fibred up?
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Is it possible that the area south of Maesteg will have FTTP available and enabled first or will there be a delay while the area north of the town gets fibred up?
Very rare for them to hold up 1 area going live to wait on another area going live, unless both areas are waiting on something further upstream.
Under normal circumstances the area to the South would go live 1st.
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An update on FTTP progress on the Maesteg exchange. Lots of digging and duct laying, a couple of contractors fixed a 'pole bend' on the pole outside my house just this afternoon. I've also seen a few CBT's going up on poles.
One strange thing I have noticed, looking at bidb.uk , there is lots of activity planned for Llangynwyd (where I am), Cwmfelin, Garth and Maesteg itself, but nothing north of Maesteg.
This is odd as Nantyffyllon and Caerau are on the Maesteg exchange. Is it possible that the area south of Maesteg will have FTTP available and enabled first or will there be a delay while the area north of the town gets fibred up?
It all depends on capacity of existing spine-fibres, as to how the roll-out plan will be put in place, and what is lit first ?.
OR would normally build from the Exchange outwards, so the PON's closest to the Exchange on (we'll call it 'Spine A') would be lit first, followed by the rest of the PON's on 'Spine A' moving outwards.
Whilst this is occurring, civils and cabling/splicing work would be in play pulling in Spine B, Spine C ... etc etc.
I can see that a large number of PON's have been manually surveyed around the middle of the Maesteg area ... and a large number of surveys created, but yet to be manually surveyed around the outer regions .... including Nantyffyllon and Caerau.
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A update on what’s happening in the Maesteg area. OR have been busy in my street pulling what looks like a green microduct through the ducts to the base of the telephone poles. So hopefully it wont be too long before the fibre is blown through and CBT’s go up. FTTP is already available in parts of Maesteg, so OR seem to speeding up their work in the area.
Netomnia have said they have plans to build their network in the Maesteg exchange area some time this year, but I know nothing more than that.
Ogi have today announced that they are building their network in the area. On the bidb.uk map they are planning to install over a dozen of what they call “SAN CABS” (Storage Area.Network cabs?), I’ve never heard of these before, does anyone know what these are?
So with a bit of luck I could go from not having any FTTP options now to having 3 by the end of the year! Happy days!!
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I can tell you all about Ogi, I work for them.
The SAN is a service area node, and are deployed out from our active cabinet that is deployed within a build town.
You may well think I’m biased but I guarantee you will have a great experience on our network :)
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Lots of OR vans in the area in the last few days, so things seem to be progressing well.
Something which is progressing less well is the bidb.uk roadworks tracker - it no longer shows any roadworks! It says "Despite offering assistance to fetch the data that Better Internet Dashboard provides, Grepsr are sustaining an attack on our APIs.
For this reason, this feed is disabled."
Grespr are a web scraping service based in Nepal.
Does anyone know where bidb.uk got their unusually detailed info from?
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For round here it seems to be the same as roadworks.org except they do the very useful thing of translating who the works is on behalf and putting an icon, so you can see at a glance whereas roadworks.org you have to click to get that info.
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The bidb.uk website seems to be working again now. Showing lots of activity in the Maesteg area, mainly by Ogi.
Openreach are busy in my street at the moment, they've put up the ONT's on all the poles, and are currently working in the pavement chamber outside my house. Chatting to one of the engineers he says that if all goes well I should be able to order FTTP in about 4-6 weeks.
Ogi have started preping sites for their cab's. There appear to be 2-3 sites for them in the village of Llangynwyd where I am. This seems like a lot considering that there are only 2 BT cab's in the village. How many users can be connected to one Ogi cab?
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Openreach will be putting CBTs on poles :)
ONT is what goes inside the customers house.
As for Ogi, 500 customers per SAN, but ultimately there's 64 customers per PON port.
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Openreach will be putting CBTs on poles :)
ONT is what goes inside the customers house.
As for Ogi, 500 customers per SAN, but ultimately there's 64 customers per PON port.
Of course!! Silly me. Getting overexcited.
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Of course!! Silly me. Getting overexcited.
No worries, any questions feel free to ask.
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I notice Maesteg has decent coverage of blue OR FTTP dots now...
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Hi, does anyone know what these are? They are on top of most of the poles in the village. I've never seen anything like them before. I think the were put up by Barden Network Engineering. Who do they work for?
I've noticed on the bidb.uk website that Virgin media have a lot of works planned for Llangynwyd in the next couple of weeks (although nowhere else in the Maesteg area). Could it be them?
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The one side appears to be Ogi box
There’s Openreach CBTs and then Virgin Media
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Looking at one of the photo's more closely I can see that it says "Property of Virgin Media" on it!
Didn't think the camera on my new phone was that good!
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It hadn't twigged with me that there'd be Virgin Media gear on poles in Maesteg. There is no availability up the valley AFAIK! Interesting indeed.
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So after checking the OR FTTP availability website every day for the last month the checker went green on Friday and I am finally able to order FTTP! ;D . Decided to go for the full gigabit, because why not.
Checking other postcodes in the village I see that most of Llangynwyd can now order fibre, just 2-3 streets still unable to order.
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So I've now noticed that on bidb.uk, Openreach has changed from Planned to Unplanned... Anyone know how accurate this is? My town (I'm connected to SWAAZ) is supposed to be done this year...
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Hi, does anyone know what these are? They are on top of most of the poles in the village. I've never seen anything like them before. I think the were put up by Barden Network Engineering. Who do they work for?
I've noticed on the bidb.uk website that Virgin media have a lot of works planned for Llangynwyd in the next couple of weeks (although nowhere else in the Maesteg area). Could it be them?
Which one is the Ogi box?
Someone is hanging coiled up fibre cables on telegraph poles in my area, am 99% sure it's Ogi.
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Which one is the Ogi box?
As the one that can be seen in the image named Pole2.jpg has a label that states "PROPERTY OF VIRGIN MEDIA" then, by elimination, it must be the one that can be seen in the image named Pole1.jpg that is owned by Ogi. :)
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Which one is the Ogi box?
Someone is hanging coiled up fibre cables on telegraph poles in my area, am 99% sure it's Ogi.
Yup, build is ongoing in Maesteg for Ogi.
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As the one that can be seen in the image named Pole2.jpg has a label that states "PROPERTY OF VIRGIN MEDIA" then, by elimination, it must be the one that can be seen in the image named Pole1.jpg that is owned by Ogi. :)
I don't think any of them are Ogi boxes. The thin box sticking out sideways is from Virgin, the others are from Openreach. While Ogi have installed their cabinets in the area I don't think Ogi have installed any cables in the ground yet.
As for my install in Llangynwyd, I had FTTP installed by MJ Quinn on Monday afternoon. The installer did a very good + neat job. There was a slight snag with the install, Openreach hadn't commissioned the CBT on the pole (one of the perils of being so quick of the mark with ordering FTTP). So the installer raised a "Fusion" ticket with OR and said that it could take them up to 72 hours to activate. I didn't have to wait that long though as the ONT was showing a green light by 9am the next day.
Now enjoying 1gb downloads from Aquiss. ;D
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I don't think any of them are Ogi boxes. The thin box sticking out sideways is from Virgin, the others are from Openreach. While Ogi have installed their cabinets in the area I don't think Ogi have installed any cables in the ground yet.
As for my install in Llangynwyd, I had FTTP installed by MJ Quinn on Monday afternoon. The installer did a very good + neat job. There was a slight snag with the install, Openreach hadn't commissioned the CBT on the pole (one of the perils of being so quick of the mark with ordering FTTP). So the installer raised a "Fusion" ticket with OR and said that it could take them up to 72 hours to activate. I didn't have to wait that long though as the ONT was showing a green light by 9am the next day.
Now enjoying 1gb downloads from Aquiss. ;D
We must have - we're going live in the not too distant future!
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Yup, build is ongoing in Maesteg for Ogi.
I'm in Porth, not Maesteg though 😇
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Which one is the Ogi box?
Someone is hanging coiled up fibre cables on telegraph poles in my area, am 99% sure it's Ogi.
(https://i.ibb.co/s9k664D/PXL-20230329-153251939.jpg)
Guess that settled that! It's Ogi. :blush:
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Sorry, was slow to reply - build is ongoing in Porth too ;)
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Had this from Openreach just now: -
We’re getting in touch to update you on our Ultrafast Full Fibre build. We’ve reviewed our build plans, and currently we can’t deliver Full Fibre to xxxxxxxx.
There are lots of reasons for why our plans change - from engineering hazards to access permits. We review our build plans regularly as circumstances change. We hope this is just a temporary setback and that we can bring xxxxxxx back into our Full Fibre build plans in the future.
We'll keep you updated and let you know immediately if anything changes.
Disappointed is an understatement - so zero full fibre, despite OR, VM and Netomnia in the town.
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Well!
Dear dee.jay
We're really sorry it looks like you've recently received one or more emails from us in error saying that you've been removed from our Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband build plans.
We've identified and fixed some issues with our data and systems that caused these emails to be sent out by mistake, and we're pleased to confirm that you're still in our build plans.
We'll continue to stay in touch to update you as our build progresses.
We're sorry for any inconvenience or confusion that this has caused.
The Openreach Team
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So I decided to follow this up by querying again with Openreach when it will be in my street.
July 2025.
Goodbye FTTP for now then.
Virgin Media are building in my area now apparently, but not holding any more hopes for now.
Starlink is where I’m looking next.
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Are you actually in the commercial plans? Kinda sucks if you are as it prevents earlier rollout through BDUK.
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If you look up my postcode on ORs fibre first page, it claims they are building now…
But not sure where July 2025 comes from. The confusing inconsistent nature of finding out is rather frustrating :)
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Starlink ordered…
£99 rural offer