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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: Alex Atkin UK on January 06, 2022, 12:20:35 PM
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[This topic has been created by splitting off the posts from the "G.fast reconnection (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26665.0.html)" thread.]
Ironically I could get FTTP, its been here a while... but just right now my health isnt good and over the past year I've have to pay people & carers to do things I can no longer do myself... so paying more for broadband when this connection works perfectly well seems pointless.
Isn't 80/20 FTTP effectively the same price? I'd expect you also to qualify for BT Home Essentials?
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Isn't 80/20 FTTP effectively the same price? I'd expect you also to qualify for BT Home Essentials?
Would a lifeline pendant work over FTTP, surely an FTTC connection with failover copper line dialup works better in this situation?
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Would a lifeline pendant work over FTTP, surely an FTTC connection with failover copper line dialup works better in this situation?
Good point, I think this is a real concern with the POTS switch-off, the manufacturers have to adapt eventually but my worry is if your broadband went down at just the wrong moment things could end badly.
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Nope not on any of those benefits.
Re the tech specifics will follow up later
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[This topic has been created by splitting off the posts from the "G.fast reconnection (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26665.0.html)" thread.]
Isn't 80/20 FTTP effectively the same price?
With BT it is.
FTTP is more expensive on lots of other providers.
kitz current ISP also doesn't even sell FTTP. She may have a number of Plusnet referrals she wishes to keep or might just want to remain with Plusnet.
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Hi Kitz
If your area got FTTP, you might be lucky to take that Gigaclear who offers 200/200 same speed as up and down for just £17 a month for 18 months if Gigaclear are available in your area. That's pretty so CHEAP!
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It's Openreach FTTP that's available to kitz, not Gigaclear.
Gigaclear have quite limited coverage, mainly in rural areas.
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Good point, I think this is a real concern with the POTS switch-off, the manufacturers have to adapt eventually but my worry is if your broadband went down at just the wrong moment things could end badly.
Reading up, the current lifeline pendant makes a landline call, options are either an ata or switch to a mobile lifeline solution for an fttp connection.
But so many sites reference GSM as the mobile technology used.
Others state hold onto the copper line just for voice as long as possible for the lifeline pendant.
Nothing like doubling costs for what is a potential life saving service.
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Hi Kitz
If your area got FTTP, you might be lucky to take that Gigaclear who offers 200/200 same speed as up and down for just £17 a month for 18 months if Gigaclear are available in your area. That's pretty so CHEAP!
My parents can get Gigaclear, they are not interested.
Reasons being they use their landline, and a 62/20 FTTC service is perfectly decent.
Gigaclear as a provider seems to be operating at a loss, prices are very cheap, but out of contract they triple, you can also read the wholesale partners price list and it just sounds expensive.
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We have to remember not everyone is a internet geek, and even those of us who are we may have other priorities in life, I certainly remember the time I needed carers, and during that time the only thing I was concerned about with my internet connection is if it did the basics.
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> only thing I was concerned about with my internet connection is if it did the basics.
That’s me to a certain degree. I see adslmax has an internet connection that is about 120 times faster than one of my lines (or 40 times faster than the combined pipe, say) and it would be nice to have some more speed as downloads wouldn’t take hours, but much more importantly Janet and I would be able to use the Internet at the same time without scheduling our usage.
For me though, total reliability is the thing that matters, and that’s what I get.
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Gigaclear as a provider seems to be operating at a loss, prices are very cheap, but out of contract they triple, you can also read the wholesale partners price list and it just sounds expensive.
I'm certainly a bit cautious about a provider running at a loss, after the whole Digital Region fiasco. Although the running costs of FTTP should be a lot lower than FTTC and should they go under I'd expect it to be much more appealing for another network to buy up that fiber and use it.
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But so many sites reference GSM as the mobile technology used.
My Mother's panic / fall detector, bought from Techsilver, just uses GSM.
Works well, if only she would wear the bracelet or pendant :(
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In my experience, there's always a group of people who'll cling to older technology with much vigor. This could be for many reasons including financial, though for DSL to FTTP, there's also the loss of ability to spend time monitoring line statistics and tinker; something that many have grown used to enjoying and committing much time to. FTTP is superior in every way, though a child has the same proficiency in connecting to it (via ethernet or Wifi) as someone who is an expect at xDSL line statistics/modem manipulation/confguration. There's an element of "letting go" that will cause some to cling onto their xDSL until the bitter end.
This is why the project to completely strip out the copper network, forcing everyone onto FTTP, is so important. Luckily, as the country's finances are in shambles, I highly doubt the government will give BT the billions it would need to extend the life of the copper network, even once we get more people complaining of lack of landline use during rare power outages in the most remotest of rural locations in the UK. I do think they should get a large government subsidy to supply larger batteries to such rural locations though, to keep these people safe. Really is no excuse then.
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> get more people complaining of lack of landline use during rare power outages in the most remotest of rural locations in the UK. I do think they should get a large government subsidy to supply larger batteries to such rural locations though, to keep these people safe. Really is no excuse then.
from personal experience, I know how critical this is. Couldn’t agree more. Need big lead acid batteries with long enough runtime to get larger UPSes or generators out to the remotest places, so many hours run time needed. It’s such a small number of people concerned that it should not be expensive.
The killer is that we need to ensure that the mobile networks don’t go down when there is an event affecting the mains power network. I have mentioned before that where I am, every time there’s some mains outage or lightning storm, the basestation goes out to lunch, a situation that seems to me outrageous. Reliable 4G and voice can act as a reliable replacement for 999 over landlines provided that you do actually have coverage, which some here don’t, and provided the mobile network doesn’t also fail when it’s needed the most.
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there's always a group of people who'll cling to older technology with much vigor. the loss of ability to spend time monitoring line statistics and tinker;
I think most of the regs here would quite happily move to FTTP. It's a shame that there are some people for whom stats does become a bad habit and rather than using stats for diagnostics, seem to want 100% perfection. Its sad because it can give tools a bad name when they are not used as intended (eg DMTtool). I'm not aware of any of the kitz regs who would not move to FTTP other than for financial reasons. There's not really that much tinkering you can do and DLM has most of the control.