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Computer Software => Windows 11 => Topic started by: chenks on November 24, 2021, 12:36:12 PM
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anyone upgraded from Windows 10 Pro to Windows 11 Pro yet?
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Yep, went very smoothly.
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Yes. No problems on 2 computers.
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should it go wrong you can wipe and manually re-install 10 Pro and still be licenced?
my 10 Pro is activated with a digital licence linked to MS account
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should it go wrong you can wipe and manually re-install 10 Pro and still be licenced?
my 10 Pro is activated with a digital licence linked to MS account
I dont know, but if you do a image backup, which I strongly suggest, then very likely if you restore the backup you will still be activated.
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The upgrade automatically creates a W10 folder that can be used to roll back which deletes itself after a number (can't remember how many) of days.
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should it go wrong you can wipe and manually re-install 10 Pro and still be licenced?
my 10 Pro is activated with a digital licence linked to MS account
I've done it a few times and provided you are online and use the same login details, it just works. I've even reinstalled it on different hardware. The activation routine just asks if you've changed hardware, with a positive reply it continues.
While reinstalling, when asked for a Windows key just click that you haven't got one.
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one strange thing i've noticed now that i've done the upgrade.
we have an in-house web portal that displays a paperclip icon when there is document attached to something.
on windows 7 and 10 it displayed as a normal paperclip, however in Windows 11 is displays as the "clippy" paperclip icon (with the eyes and eyebrows).
no idea why Windows 11 has decided to bring clippy back from the dead.
the html page is using the ascii code of 📎
(https://i.ibb.co/jZTNDdJ/Screenshot-2021-11-25-103631.jpg)
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Well I went for new hardware option... Intel i7 12700k, Asus Z690 Plus D4 WiFi, Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Dual Channel Memory (RAM) Kit, Be Quiet Shadow Rock 3, ordered free LGA1700 mounting kit form Be Quiet Germany (arrived in 2 days!)
Took M.2 drive from old system, had Windows 10 pro already on it, booted up on new motherboard, re run Windows 11 readiness tool, installed Windows 11 pro/activated.
So GNA drivers on Intel's site and Asus were unsigned... good start! found previous version which worked ok, Asus confirmed that drivers needed signing!
If you use Adobe/OBS or other program that uses onboard graphics and add in card, I have a GTX1080, you need Quick sync... oh dear another problem... installed drivers, but Intel graphics command centre won't recognise UHD Graphics 770, so no hardware acceleration on Adobe premier.
Intel haven't got back to me yet on this.
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Upgraded from 8.1 Pro to 11 Pro :-X
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I downgraded from windows 11 pro to windows 10 pro.
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I downgraded from windows 11 pro to windows 10 pro.
I get that they made some pretty frustrating UI changes, but otherwise why? Most of the problems I have are because I misplaced my keyboard so without keyboard shortcuts on my gaming PC its more awkward to adjust to the UI changes.
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Maybe I'm in a minority but I actually prefer W11 to W10 despite some of the changes. Guess I'm used to it now. :lol:
I upgraded all my (several) half-decent or better systems to it, "compatible" or not (there are ways!), Home or Pro as appropriate. Don't have a single W10 system now.
(Only exceptions were real old clunkers with 4GB ram limits or very slow processors, they're still on W7 - hated W8.1 with a vengeance!).
Once they were all working fine I also upgraded almost all that had spinning discs to SSD. Hit a few odd wrinkles there but nothing serious.
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I don't like anything since W7 to be honest, the whole OS just seems to be less intuitive to use.
The biggest bugbear for me is explorer, its so much slower getting to network shares than it used to be. Though its night/day better than MacOS where you can't even search the current directory for a file if you have indexing disabled, and no way I want to waste space on a network share for meta data I don't need. I have a cron job that deletes the pesky thumbnails Windows generates, whereas on Linux I just have the thumbnails in a RAM drive.
I get that for people without a ton of data and more storage than they ever need it makes sense the way it is, but why isn't there options for those of us where storage is a premium but have beefy CPUs so thumbnailing in real-time is not a big deal?
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I get that they made some pretty frustrating UI changes, but otherwise why? Most of the problems I have are because I misplaced my keyboard so without keyboard shortcuts on my gaming PC its more awkward to adjust to the UI changes.
I loved the UI but had frequent system freezes, taskbar clock stops randomly on certain time, internet explorers stops working and frame time issues while gaming.. I think issues were related to my system though everything was compatible and updated.
But after seeing random complaints about similar issues I decided to revert back to 10 and everything is fine for me.
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Win 11 isnt for me unless extensively modded in the UI as its a tablet UI.
When the day comes it offers a feature that I must have then I will but that day is not today.
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Win 11 isnt for me unless extensively modded in the UI as its a tablet UI.
When the day comes it offers a feature that I must have then I will but that day is not today.
Its been heading that direction since Windows 8 and got a worse and worse UI each time. Maybe I've not used it enough to realise just how bad its gotten in 11, but if anything they seem to FINALLY be releasing having things like network splits across three different UIs is perhaps not a great idea. When it comes to settings from the UI, 11 has made huge improvements over 10.
Kinda ironic then that they've made the right-click menu just a PITA. But for the most part a power user should be using keyboard shortcuts anyway. I only run into problems as its my gaming PC and the keyboard has gone MIA.
I'm someone who uses no DPI scaling on a 4K 27" monitor on KDE to optimise usable screen space, that's about as opposite to modern Windows (closer to Windows classic theme). as you can get. I had a Windows 7 Plasma theme for a long time, but custom themes tend to be buggy so eventually I dropped it.
Still, there is no denying for where you need Windows, you really have no choice. I feel that delaying the upgrade to 11 is just making it even more painful when 10 support ends. But I guess its easy to say that when I don't have to use it every day. Will be putting it on my AI upscaling box soon as I'm upgrading it to hardware that supports it, that should be "fun".
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They have been eager to do it for sure.
Windows 8 they tried it, community rejected it, so Windows 10 they backtracked (it only really differs to 7 with a different start menu and the modern settings UI, so is much closer to 7 than 8 is).
Now they doing it again with Windows 11.
My primary issues is the following things.
Huge padding around every icon, its like I need 8k resolution to cancel it out.
Huge icons.
Replaced start menu with an app drawer/window type system.
No replacement for pinning to start menu or quick launch.
I know there is startisback and other tools to get a better UI back, and I will use those when the day comes I have to upgrade.
Also interesting windows scaling can only be used to make things bigger, but not smaller.
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Some very good points.
I also got annoyed at Firefox recently as in their infinite wisdom they decided to add huge padding between bookmarks (for touch screen users but applies to everyone), so I can now see half as many on screen. What makes it worse is their entire UI is CSS based, but in order to change it back you have to go hacking around in the configuration files manually rather than just letting you choose in the settings pages.
Its batshit insane thinking to insist on a consistent UI for everyone, if you're tweaking that UI to be optimal to the minority. Most PC users are on PC because they recognise touch is a horrible navigation method if you want to be efficient about it.
I'm saying that as someone who loved touch since I first saw Star Trek TNG, but there's a time and a place for it, it should be MY choice how the interface is presented to me. Same with so many websites adoption mobile-first designs and infinite scrolling, things which should be killed with fire IMO, especially when many sites have an app anyway so there is no need for it.
I'm currently fighting with a photo sharing website that insists on infinite scrolling when browsing user profiles, users with say 32000 photos so it takes days to browse them and if the browser crashes good luck finding where you were. It has NO FILTERS or search, so the only option I found was turning off Javascript which thankfully resorts to good old fashioned pagination, except some pages on the site they forgot and it breaks.
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Yep dev's do seem to have a thing for tablet UI at the moment and on top of that dont like making it customisable, I know weaver told me off before for thinking the two devices should be seperate in terms of UI code, but its something that annoys me.
The good news the CSS can be customised and in addition firefox has a hidden compact setting, I cannot remember off hand how to enable it, but it is there, the reason its hidden is kind of petty, the dev's wanted to remove it, got backlash so agreed to keep it on the condition its hidden. I assume so at some future date they can say barely anyone is using it so it will be removed.
Here how to enable it.
https://www.ghacks.net/2021/04/07/mozilla-decides-to-hide-compact-mode-in-firefox-for-new-users-but-keep-it-for-existing-ones/
Oh yeah 100% agree on infinite scrolling as well, memory usage runaway as the page grows and grows and no way to get back to where you were.
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Its frustrating as infinite scrolling literally goes against the design of HTML in the first place, at least most of the time.
Every once in a while I will find a site which dynamically alters the URL as you scroll so you CAN bookmark the "page" you were on, but its pretty rare.