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Broadband Related => Mobile broadband => Topic started by: Weaver on November 09, 2021, 08:40:49 AM

Title: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Weaver on November 09, 2021, 08:40:49 AM
[Modrator Note: This topic has been created by splitting off posts made to the "Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26361.0.html)" thread.]

The IPQ4019 is a Wave-2 802.11ac chipset, so the above is the extent of what it can support.

WiFi 6/ 802.11ax cannot be added to ac hardware, it would like expecting 5G to be a software patch for 4G simply because it might use the same radio frequencies.

Oh, I agree, I'm quite sure Mikrotik will go WiFi 6e when it's finally out.

Mea maxima culpa. I havenít read the 802.11ax chipset or 6GHz-related stuff, so I donít know what Iím talking about. Donít know how much additional good stuff 802.11ax brings nor what the requirements are for hardware.
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 09, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
Usual stuff, more efficient use of radio spectrum, slightly faster, then WiFi 6e adds the 6Ghz spectrum to get away from DFS and give us plenty of more slightly shorter range bandwidth.

Kinda sucks the new Macbooks are only WiFi 6 not e, particularly as I'm having some bizarre issues lately on 5Ghz where it can jump between 200Mbit and 800Mbit, on various channels.  Upstream is stuck at 100Mbit. :/
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Weaver on November 09, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
This is why for high performance I wouldnít ever bother with a laptop. Theyíre expensive, slow CPUs because of thermal limitations and concern with saving energy for long battery life, and 802.11xx is slow compared with gigabit or 10gig wired ethernet.

I have used them in the past when I had no other choice. Nowadays Iím iPad-only, which is kind-of ironic having just said that, but I donít expect my iPads to be ultra-high performance, ARM64 presumably isnít as fast as desktop/server Intel x64 or top-end Ryzen CPUs? And my old WAPs are constrained to 300Mbps, so one day when Iím flush I will get something modern. Will probably be AA-supplied Aruba so I can get config help and support, given my brain limitations.

Slept through the first hour of my German class tonight. Thatís ME/CFS for you. I then joined belatedly, in Zoom, with an "Ich schlief! Ich habe gerade aufgewacht!" - which was ungrammatical, has to be Ďbiní not Ďhabeí with aufwachen, but I didnít spot that when I looked it up.
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 10, 2021, 03:39:58 AM
This is why for high performance I wouldnít ever bother with a laptop. Theyíre expensive, slow CPUs because of thermal limitations and concern with saving energy for long battery life, and 802.11xx is slow compared with gigabit or 10gig wired ethernet.

ARM64 presumably isnít as fast as desktop/server Intel x64 or top-end Ryzen CPUs?

I just got my first ever Macbook Pro, Apple Silicon ARM64 is very much faster than my Intel i9 9900k desktop in CPU (which honestly is faster than most peoples PCs) and the 16" model does not throttle on battery.  The top end model (I couldn't afford that one) also gets awfully close to PC mobile GPUs top performance, but it does have to throttle if you max out the CPU and GPU concurrently.

It also has the best screen on the market, absolutely floored how insane its HDR support is compared to my LG OLED TV, the sound is equally as impressive.

I'm really not a fan of Apple or MacOS.  I'm growing to hate MacOS with a passion as its lagging behind every other OS is ease of use and how they are using a none-standard UK keyboard layout on their laptops with very shallow keys so its really hard to type on, but its far less compromised than every other laptop I've owned. (except the inability to upgrade the internals in any way, this was necessary to get that performance)

I actually benchmark all my devices (https://browser.geekbench.com/user/64295) for a rough comparison between them and you can see how ARM64 is likely to murder Ryzen once they make a Mac Pro based on it.  Apple have the huge advantage of being able to re-work the hardware and OS in parallel so they can use fixed-purpose silicon to offload tasks that are inefficient on general purpose CPUs, while software still just sees the same APIs.

Back to WiFi, on a good day, 802.11ax gets awfully close to Gigabit wired, I just wish it was more consistent seeing as I'm right in front of the Access Point.  I think this is mostly down to radio spectrum sharing, there could be any number of devices using the spectrum that wont show up to a WiFi card except as background noise.  The idea is 6Ghz should suffer from this less as it was only really used for point to point links.  We absolutely need a spectrum that is ONLY used for WiFi devices so they can see each other and use time division multiple access to properly organise airtime fairness.
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Weaver on November 10, 2021, 06:45:24 AM
Thatís really good to know about Apple Silicon ARM64. I didnít know it was that good, even in a mobile application.

As for WLAN, do you have neighbours ?
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: DaveC on November 10, 2021, 06:48:08 AM
I'm growing to hate MacOS with a passion as its lagging behind every other OS is ease of use and how they are using a none-standard UK keyboard layout on their laptops...

I just use the "British - PC" keymap - this puts things back where they belong. 
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 10, 2021, 08:20:09 AM
I just use the "British - PC" keymap - this puts things back where they belong. 

Thanks for that, I tried Googling it and so much nonsense came up.  If I had bothered to look in the settings, would have been obvious.
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: burakkucat on November 10, 2021, 03:42:56 PM
<Cough> Recent posts to this thread are completely off-topic. As a reminder, here is the subject line of meritez' opening post --

"Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support"
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Weaver on November 10, 2021, 11:39:52 PM
Apologies to the OP. :-(
Title: Re: Split From -- Mikrotik Chateau 5G - Ultimate home AP with ultra-fast LTE/5G support
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on November 11, 2021, 05:44:28 AM
Hangs head in shame.